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Thread: Team INA in Thomas & UBER 2008
04-28-2008, 08:54 PM #69
If I remember correctly, BCL led TH 3:1 before 2006.
Then in 2006 TH beated BCL 3 times in a row. Then in 2007 BCL beated TH 3 times in a row.
So I think starting 2006, TH does not has problem playing BCL anymore, meaning TH knows what he should do to play BCL, the question is: Does he have the ability to carry out his plan?
04-28-2008, 08:57 PM #70
04-28-2008, 09:00 PM #71
04-28-2008, 10:09 PM #72
I disagree. IMHO BCL is a better player than CJ and don't forget after 2006, CJ is the only one among the Chinese top 3 that has been beaten by TH (2007 INA Open, 1st round, CJ lost 9:21 in the 1st game and was again totally outplayed in the 3rd -- TH reached match point 20:11 if I remember correctly).
I think in this Thomas Cup BCL vs. TH is 50:50 while CJ vs. TH is 45:55.
04-28-2008, 10:16 PM #73
04-29-2008, 12:04 AM #74
Go Thomas and Uber Team...
I think Thomas team is strong enough and has the chance to win..
And Uber team needs to play all out and just be cool..
05-01-2008, 10:02 PM #75
Very interesting line-up. It is surprising, but INA is known for their resourcefulness when it comes to team tournament. Candra-factor will be the greatest factor. Like somebody mentions before, any pair with Candra in it makes a fearsome pair. He is truly the most dangerous double player today. Well, I'm sure Indonesian officials have something up their sleeves. Coaches have lots of things to consider so let's not judge them just yet. They are like generals and generals don't tell their troops everything, do they? Just one quotation: You have to deceive your friends before you can deceive the enemy. As history has written in the past, Indonesian officials are master of the game when it comes to this. So, let's sit back, enjoy the tournament and cheers hard for our country
05-02-2008, 10:42 AM #76
As far as Candra "being the most dangerous doubles players today", ehm, if that's for MD or even XD, i think one has to look at what Mr. Lee Yong Dae (or a few BCers who like to call him sunDAE Lee) has done recently.
05-05-2008, 08:24 PM #77
05-05-2008, 09:04 PM #78
Candra/Kido only lost to the faster and more attack-oriented Fu/Cai, nothing ashamed about that. Kido/Hendra could have lost too if they were played. I would say that pairing up Candra with any players certainly will add an element of unpredictability.
05-06-2008, 01:51 AM #79
...Candra's presence could probably add an element of surprise or unpredictability, but i don't think any "current" pairing (w/him) will be a "fearsome" pair; or him being "the most dangerous doubles player today" (as byelnats mentioned)....If it was, say, 6-7 yrs ago, then yeah, i would probably say so (him and Tony)...
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05-06-2008, 02:03 AM #80
Let's consider who Candra might face in the Thomas Cup matches as a potential MD2:
vs Malaysia -- stand a chance against either of the 3 pairs.
vs Denmark -- Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen or Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen (definitely beatable)
vs Korea -- Lee Jae Jin/Hwang Ji Man (beat them before as mentioned above)
vs China -- Guo Zhendong/Xie Zhongbo (high chance of winning against them, compared to Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi)
05-06-2008, 02:24 AM #81
He and Nova might've beaten LJJ & HJM in that recent match, but we'll see what will happen if both pairs may meet again in the TC. There's no guarantee Nova and Candra can repeat the same success, considering the KOR pairs definitely won't be sitting all day at home and day-dream about their possible matches.
In this type of group/team matches, Candra and whoever the coaches pair him up with for the 2nd MD, if the coaches decide to use Candra, may stand a chance against those possible pairs. After all, they're paired up against the 2nd ranked pairs.
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05-06-2008, 04:19 AM #82
Candra is used as 'agent' to bond all players and he has proven his track in the last Sudirman Cup, yes..Indonesia did not win the cup, everybody knows that but almost no one predict Indonesia can reach to the final.
I think 'Candra' factor is apllied for INA Thomas Cup team based on the current condition:
1. Luluk/Alvent: Although they are world's no 7 but their performances are not really promising and they have mental blocking (esp. Luluk) when their opponent can read their game. I think coaches do not have enough confidence to Luluk/Alvent to deliver a point.
2. Joko/Gunawan: Young players and still struggling to stamp their name in world's mens double but they must be given enough exposure in big tournament.
INA Team do not have many options if they want to depend on those two pairs.
Candra and Nova are called to create more pair variations and I'm not surprise Candra will be paired with Joko or Gunawan as well.
It is gambling and very daring step to drop Luluk/Alvent from Thomas Cup team but decision must be made.
05-06-2008, 06:01 AM #83
Of course, INA did lose the tie to China. Flashback to the Sudirman Cup Final, INA already had themselves in the backfoot with Flandy/Vita losing in a narrow match against Zheng/Gao. The second match was women's singles which was almost a walkover. The third match was Candra/Kido's match. Only a very optimistic guy will bet on the INA pair matching the in-form and reigning World Champion at that time (Fu/Cai won 2 straight SS titles). So, it was expected that the scratch pairing lost to the Chinese pair.
I wouldn't call Hendra AG/Joko Riyadi young since they are already past 23 yo, esp AG (26 this year).
Last edited by badMania; 05-06-2008 at 06:04 AM.
05-06-2008, 06:04 AM #84
Regardless of which pair INA used in that Final (Kido/Hendra or a combination of Alvent, Candra, or Hendra AG), the chance against the Chinese pair was at best 50-50
Don't forget, the target was to reach the Final, which they did. Anything beyond that will be a bonus
05-06-2008, 08:27 AM #85
yeep...lets support INA skuad and say INDONESIA BISA in commemoration of 100 years of Indonesian National Awakening Day on this May 20 (two days after TC/UC 2008 finish)...
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