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    This is a good example of why I find it pointless to comeback to this place nowadays.

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ewpost&t=55893

    You can try to justify it by repeating that tired old cliche of 'focusing on badminton' but why have a Lounge or Chit-Chat section if you're intent 'focusing on badminton'?

    I suppose you realise that the entire forum will be swamped with the same old threads talking about the same tired thing over and over and it's a shame that the Chit-Chat section contain probably the 'freshest' bit of content of all?

    Just take a look at the place and tell me that you're not shaking your head?

    I am a member on RAWK which is roughly the same size as this place with several hundred times more activity than BC on a daily basis and it had rarely turned into a jungle of monkey business. If anything the topics in the equivalent 'Chit-Chat' section are composed of a lot of intelligent discussions on the current affairs. Any signs of lax in evolution and the members get a warning/ban, threads cleaned up and reopened. There are the fair share of rubbish topics as with any forums in the world but what have that thread above done to deserve a locking?

    How long are you - the powers that be - going to herd everybody into a corner and label them in combinations of either 'clueless', 'mindless', 'uncivilised', 'childish'? The 'regular member' tag might actually mean 'semi-sentient'.

    Keep at that and like-seek-like will soon bring in more and more of the same old rubbish. Allow and moderate good discussions and you will find more activities that will eventually drive the 'clueless', 'mindless', 'uncivilised' and 'childish' away or at least keep them quiet.

    Appoint more mods to ensure that it does not happen (possibly ones to do the dirty work to avoid yourself from becoming unpopular). More level-headed mods will do the trick, not the trigger happy militants. If anything, have them from all three spectrums to allow for a fairer judgement on the posts.

    I suppose praises are easier to the eyes/ears than criticism. If you think I'm still sore from the previous ban then you're really living up to what I have just mentioned about painting people with the same-coloured brush of 'stupid'.

    Yes, I have problems with this place and yes, I have left to join someplace else that lives up to my so-called standard of 'intelligent foruming'.

    'Political', my arse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlgf View Post
    This is a good example of why I find it pointless to comeback to this place nowadays.

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ewpost&t=55893

    You can try to justify it by repeating that tired old cliche of 'focusing on badminton' but why have a Lounge or Chit-Chat section if you're intent 'focusing on badminton'?

    I suppose you realise that the entire forum will be swamped with the same old threads talking about the same tired thing over and over and it's a shame that the Chit-Chat section contain probably the 'freshest' bit of content of all?

    Just take a look at the place and tell me that you're not shaking your head?

    I am a member on RAWK which is roughly the same size as this place with several hundred times more activity than BC on a daily basis and it had rarely turned into a jungle of monkey business. If anything the topics in the equivalent 'Chit-Chat' section are composed of a lot of intelligent discussions on the current affairs. Any signs of lax in evolution and the members get a warning/ban, threads cleaned up and reopened. There are the fair share of rubbish topics as with any forums in the world but what have that thread above done to deserve a locking?

    How long are you - the powers that be - going to herd everybody into a corner and label them in combinations of either 'clueless', 'mindless', 'uncivilised', 'childish'? The 'regular member' tag might actually mean 'semi-sentient'.

    Keep at that and like-seek-like will soon bring in more and more of the same old rubbish. Allow and moderate good discussions and you will find more activities that will eventually drive the 'clueless', 'mindless', 'uncivilised' and 'childish' away or at least keep them quiet.

    Appoint more mods to ensure that it does not happen (possibly ones to do the dirty work to avoid yourself from becoming unpopular). More level-headed mods will do the trick, not the trigger happy militants. If anything, have them from all three spectrums to allow for a fairer judgement on the posts.

    I suppose praises are easier to the eyes/ears than criticism. If you think I'm still sore from the previous ban then you're really living up to what I have just mentioned about painting people with the same-coloured brush of 'stupid'.

    Yes, I have problems with this place and yes, I have left to join someplace else that lives up to my so-called standard of 'intelligent foruming'.

    'Political', my arse.

    Soon we won't be able to talk about toilet bowls without fear of
    insulting the porcelain.
    u should came back with a bang

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    i do not believe the admin/mods here want to restrict posters with IQ > 120. The badminton community is made up of people from various ages, background and countries. Everybody contributes something here and there. There is no universally accepted moral principles that i know of so the admin/mods do the best to limit certain off topics and subjects for discussion. Who is to say BF has to emulates the constitution of other forums? This is a badminton forum, having a chit chat forum allows sufficient freedom and flexibility on discussions of reasonable off topic matters. Just because this forum doesnt fulfill your needs doesnt mean u can trash it.
    Last edited by cooler; 05-23-2008 at 12:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    i do not believe the admin/mods here want to restrict posters with IQ > 120. The badminton community is made up of people from various ages, background and countries. Everybody contributes something here and there. There is no universally accepted moral principles that i know of so the admin/mods do the best they can on screening out certain off topics and subjects for discussion. Who is to say BF has to emulates the constitution of other forums? This is a badminton forum, having a chit chat forum allows sufficient freedom and flexibility on discussions of reasonable off topic matters.
    I think Wilfredlgf's main point here is about the general standard of BC these days.

    I have to admit that the standard has gone down a lot since I first joined it.. I was 11 when I joined this forum and I remember BC being this really great forum where discussions were really interesting, logical etc etc. 6 years later I'm looking at the same forum that has grown sooo much in terms of the quantity of members. Unfortunately, with more members, more rubbish tends to trickle in. And it's such discussions that just seem to keep me away from BC more and more these days.

    There are ways to prevent such a used-to-be-awesome forum from degenerating, if only the mods will start looking around and asking for opinions..

    P.S. Or perhaps I've 'matured' since 11-years-old and no longer find badminton interesting.. can't be, I've got 2 dates with the badminton court this weekend.

    P.P.S Wilfredlgf, if that wasn't your main point, my bad. Just thought I'll drop a note by the feedback forum and your thread seemed perfect.

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    wow, wilfred..
    u came back with a bang!!!
    as cooler said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joanne View Post
    I think Wilfredlgf's main point here is about the general standard of BC these days.

    I have to admit that the standard has gone down a lot since I first joined it.. I was 11 when I joined this forum and I remember BC being this really great forum where discussions were really interesting, logical etc etc. 6 years later I'm looking at the same forum that has grown sooo much in terms of the quantity of members. Unfortunately, with more members, more rubbish tends to trickle in. And it's such discussions that just seem to keep me away from BC more and more these days.

    There are ways to prevent such a used-to-be-awesome forum from degenerating, if only the mods will start looking around and asking for opinions..

    P.S. Or perhaps I've 'matured' since 11-years-old and no longer find badminton interesting.. can't be, I've got 2 dates with the badminton court this weekend.

    P.P.S Wilfredlgf, if that wasn't your main point, my bad. Just thought I'll drop a note by the feedback forum and your thread seemed perfect.

    Seems like they never update the news and World Rankings of the badminton players anymore =.= how sad >_>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joanne View Post
    I think Wilfredlgf's main point here is about the general standard of BC these days.

    I have to admit that the standard has gone down a lot since I first joined it.. I was 11 when I joined this forum and I remember BC being this really great forum where discussions were really interesting, logical etc etc. 6 years later I'm looking at the same forum that has grown sooo much in terms of the quantity of members. Unfortunately, with more members, more rubbish tends to trickle in. And it's such discussions that just seem to keep me away from BC more and more these days.

    There are ways to prevent such a used-to-be-awesome forum from degenerating, if only the mods will start looking around and asking for opinions..

    P.S. Or perhaps I've 'matured' since 11-years-old and no longer find badminton interesting.. can't be, I've got 2 dates with the badminton court this weekend.

    P.P.S Wilfredlgf, if that wasn't your main point, my bad. Just thought I'll drop a note by the feedback forum and your thread seemed perfect.
    back then when ur 11, there were maybe 200-400 members. BF have 31,000+ now.
    In term of quality of discussion, most of the information relating to badminton techniques, stringings, etc have been posted or discussed before. Repeating those 'quality' discussion doesnt serve the purpose anymore. Most of the discussion these days are related to current badminton affairs. For some of us, even the latest and greatest racket technology wouldnt prompt quality discussion because they are basically same old rackets.

    Quality can be subjective. If the subject of discussion doesnt suit one's taste as in wilfredlgf case, it can be perceived as low quality.

    disclosure: i often find wilfredlgf posts as low quality since i don't like reading about football, fantasy games/songs/videos that he is so interested in http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...archid=1223695
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...archid=1223698
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    That specific thread was closed due to the eventual straying into political territory. Discerning readers want to know how a problem came about, the manifestation of the problem, and finally possible solutions, for the topic to be meaningful.

    With the moratorium against political discussions here on BadmintonCentral, the topic can only revolve around the manifestation part.

    It's all nice to talk about global warming in the abstract, but MAS political problems is a different beast, with MAS members with different levels of dialogue attitude.

    It's easy to predict how it'll go, and I support the idea of, what was that saying, an ounce of prevention something, a pound of cure.

    -dave

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    nice puns DinkAlot !

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    AFAIK, there are only a few types of discussions strictly not allowed in BC: political, religious, sexual. we have not prohibited any other types of discussion. and if you think such classes of discussions will raises your IQ, sorry we cannot help. haha.

    we do lock other threads but that's only if it starts to get out of control. if you think that's unreasonable, ciao. maybe you should hang out more in the RAWK forum then.

    let me know if i am wrong here, and show me example to support your claim that we have barred any other types of discussions without good reasons.

    and honestly, no one force you to come here, and trust me, we will never stop you from leaving and never coming back either. you have the freedom to go anywhere you want.

    given what i said above, the rest of your post doesn't make sense anymore. bye, and enjoy your toilet seat in the other forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    disclosure: i often find wilfredlgf posts as low quality since i don't like reading about football, fantasy games/songs/videos that he is so interested in http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...archid=1223695
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...archid=1223698
    Oh dear. You really love me, don't you? As kwun has mentioned, why read something you're not interested in? I camp around Chit-Chat because the rest of the forum is the same thing rinse and repeat plus a bunch of dross thrown into it, so I avoid what I am not interested in - rinse and repeats with a bunch of dross thrown in. If you happen to dislike me being on BC for talking more about football than badminton, well I have already remedied the situation by staying away from your beloved badminton-related forums.

    Racquet-thumping badminton fundamentalists.

    Why is that that I simply don't talk badminton on BC nowadays? I only follow football on the weekends and would still devote my time reading up on LCW, Zakri-Fariz.. Fairuzia..Fairuzizuan and Rexy in the papers. I lamented on why Hafiz just didn't manage to take this chance thrown to him to redeem his game reputation and shook my head at the inconsistency of the supposedly great KKK-TBH. On Mondays I head down to the courts to have my own session of badminton.

    It's not the sport's change from 15 to 21 points that I opposed or the unending domination of China that drove me away from here, then what?

    I followed the TC by watching the telly and reading the papers, and not a single time did I go back to BC for pictures and game reports. I didn't even feel the need to put in my 2 cents on what happened in Jakarta either.

    Just go back to the transport thread. I thought it was a nice place to 'come back' since I am taking the public transport to work nowadays and might need to be driving around after a few months. Considering that the topic title doesn't even have names of prominent politicians in MAS, Dato Asbullah raised good questions on how this thing could be helped. It's a real issue that is actually more important than which racquet has the most power.

    The mod locked the thing before anything of substance can be properly discussed.

    Compare that to the tourney threads. I suppose you can always cite the 'focused on badminton' on me, but heck I'm sorry to just realise that rule.

    I suppose it's OK to discuss about China's economy becoming 2.5 times bigger than the US since the economy, war and the WTO (putting on my borrowed mod glasses) are apolitical. Don't even think about questioning the Myanmar junta's unbelievably slow response to the Nargis Cyclone relief efforts because threads have to be apolitical.

    I can't believe it.

    Just get more mods from all sorts of background to work on the place and you might suddenly feel less of the need to micro-manage everything, get stressed and end up blanket-locking/banning because you can't be bothered to clean up and align topics back in line.

    Heck, I might even nominate cooler there as one.

    I don't hate this place, I hate what it's become.

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    given what i said above, the rest of your post doesn't make sense anymore. bye, and enjoy your toilet seat in the other forum.
    Then I regret not being able to make sense, boss. I suppose it would sting since this place is your baby but even if I no longer care much for it, I don't like watching toddlers walk their way towards a drain especially when I have been part of its growth for such a long time.

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    I surely don't understand this. You found RAWK, and you find it satisfying.

    Quote Originally Posted by wilfredlfg
    I am a member on RAWK which is roughly the same size as this place with several hundred times more activity than BC on a daily basis and it had rarely turned into a jungle of monkey business. If anything the topics in the equivalent 'Chit-Chat' section are composed of a lot of intelligent discussions on the current affairs. Any signs of lax in evolution and the members get a warning/ban, threads cleaned up and reopened.

    Then you come back to BadmintonForum, which you've already begun to despise. Found an interesting thread which got locked down, then now shot-gun blast everything in sight?

    You've been here before, participated in, shared interesting videos, reveal heartfelt experiences on BadmintonForum.

    We'll miss your presence here, and hope you find what you're looking for.

    Meanwhile, I'm going to look at the pictures of the BadmintonCentral gathering at the Thomas Cup games in Jakarta that brought together members from California, Philippines, KL, Kuching, Singapore, Indonesia, and marvel at the Indonesian BC members' hospitality at arranging accomodations, transportation, food recommendations, VIP passes, wonderful photographs.

    Then I'm going to beat my chest and yell up to the heavens at how cruel BadmintonCentral is, as Kwun won't pay for my first-class ticket to Jakarta, and curse the other mods for not heeding my requests for the penthouse suite in the Jakarta Ritz-Carlton.

    -dave

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    Sorry to hear about that dave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wood_22_chuck View Post
    I surely don't understand this. You found RAWK, and you find it satisfying.




    Then you come back to BadmintonForum, which you've already begun to despise. Found an interesting thread which got locked down, then now shot-gun blast everything in sight?

    You've been here before, participated in, shared interesting videos, reveal heartfelt experiences on BadmintonForum.

    We'll miss your presence here, and hope you find what you're looking for.

    Meanwhile, I'm going to look at the pictures of the BadmintonCentral gathering at the Thomas Cup games in Jakarta that brought together members from California, Philippines, KL, Kuching, Singapore, Indonesia, and marvel at the Indonesian BC members' hospitality at arranging accomodations, transportation, food recommendations, VIP passes, wonderful photographs.

    Then I'm going to beat my chest and yell up to the heavens at how cruel BadmintonCentral is, as Kwun won't pay for my first-class ticket to Jakarta, and curse the other mods for not heeding my requests for the penthouse suite in the Jakarta Ritz-Carlton.

    -dave
    Don't feel slighted Dave, kwun and mods turned down my request too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post
    Don't feel slighted Dave, kwun and mods turned down my request too.
    maybe RAWK will do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    maybe RAWK will do it.
    kwun, did u received my pm??
    can u take some actions??
    thkns

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