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    i was using the search function, but i cant seem to find wat i was looking for.

    What's a slice? sorry for the werid question but i dont know wat it is. Wat is it and how do u perform it?

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    A "slice" in Badminton refers to striking (or brushing) the shuttle at an angle, creating a increased clockwise rotation of the shuttle (for right handers). The purpose of slicing a shuttle is to reduce the shuttle's trajectory (shuttle will fall sooner), giving the opponent less time to return the shuttle. There are usually three types of slices:

    1) Slice Drop Shot
    2) Slice Smash
    3) Slice Attack Clear

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    Quote Originally Posted by S4MadMan
    A "slice" in Badminton refers to striking (or brushing) the shuttle at an angle, creating a increased clockwise rotation of the shuttle (for right handers). The purpose of slicing a shuttle is to reduce the shuttle's trajectory (shuttle will fall sooner), giving the opponent less time to return the shuttle. There are usually three types of slices:

    1) Slice Drop Shot
    2) Slice Smash
    3) Slice Attack Clear
    Could you please explain why the shuttle would drop sooner? Also, is there also a slice in net shots? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by S4MadMan
    A "slice" in Badminton refers to striking (or brushing) the shuttle at an angle, creating a increased clockwise rotation of the shuttle (for right handers). The purpose of slicing a shuttle is to reduce the shuttle's trajectory (shuttle will fall sooner), giving the opponent less time to return the shuttle. There are usually three types of slices:

    1) Slice Drop Shot
    2) Slice Smash
    3) Slice Attack Clear
    huh whats a slice attack clear?? never heard of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simp84
    huh whats a slice attack clear?? never heard of that
    Sliced shots are used for drops, usually fast drops, and cut smashes. A sliced attack clear, if there is such an animal, would be a cut smash gone terribly wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green72(CAN)
    Could you please explain why the shuttle would drop sooner? Also, is there also a slice in net shots? Thanks
    Let me hazard a guess. I suppose everything is relative.

    Now if you do a full-blooded (square on the strings) smash, the bird will travel a longer distance and logically take a slightly longer time to land. Sometimes when you hit too hard at a lower height, the shuttle can land out of court! Compare this with a sliced smash (or a half-court smash) the distance travelled will be shorter, the shuttle dips faster and so lands earlier.

    I would personally not slice the shuttle when doing a clear as it will lose its purpose and effectiveness. The purpose of a clear is to hit the bird fast and powerful above the extended reach of your opponent's racket. This attacking clear can even win you a point depending on where your opponent is standing and he will be most vulnerable if he stands near the net or out of position in mid-court.

    The slice shot can also be played with the backhand to perform more or less a backspin and not a topspin with the forehand stroke (as in table tennis with the pingpong ball) and I personally find this to be more effective. And most certainly you can do very delicate sliced shots (and you must!) with both forehand and backhand at the net by making greater use of your fingers and wrist instead of together with the forearm and upper arm for a sliced smash. And you can also slice the bird from underneath
    the cork with a jabbing horizontal action for that net-tumbling effect! Try practising alone by hitting the shuttle delicately with your racket with these three different actions to get the desired result!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green72(CAN)
    Could you please explain why the shuttle would drop sooner?
    For the effect to be noticeable, your drops must be heavily sliced. Some of the professional singles players produce drops that look impossible

    When you slice the shuttle, it spins. This spinning increases the air resistance, which slows down the shuttle. You hit the shuttle harder than a normal drop shot, so initially it moves more quickly. But as it travels, the extra air resistance comes into play and the shuttle slows down!

    This works much better on crosscourt drop shots, because the shuttle has further to travel (therefore you can hit it harder, knowing that it will slow down more over the longer distance).

    If you're really good at this, the shuttle will follow a slightly curved path!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simp84
    huh whats a slice attack clear?? never heard of that
    Let's say you drop and the opponents are slow to get back to center. You want to hit the shuttle deep to the baseline but are afraid of hitting it out. Solution: slice attack clear. You are clearing but it's an offensive move. You slice the shuttle to prevent it from going out. Here's how you do it:

    1) Grip is held higher up the shaft

    2) Hit a clear but with a lower trajectory then you normally do

    3) When you hit the shuttle you slice it

    Result: the initial speed of the shuttle is fast but because you slice it, slows down dramatically and just dies off, keeping it inside the court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh
    I would personally not slice the shuttle when doing a clear as it will lose its purpose and effectiveness. The purpose of a clear is to hit the bird fast and powerful above the extended reach of your opponent's racket.
    Depending on the situation, if you slice it correctly, it is very effective on a clear. The slice attack clear is not a high angle shot. It is a low trajectory, fast shot that's supposed to be out of reach of the opponent. You slice it to keep the shuttle from going out.

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    The slicing action cuts down the speed of the shot rendering less necessary the tell-tale slowing of the arm : thus deception is aided. This action also helps to bring the shuttle down more steeply. to 'die' a little sooner than expected, fading away towards the side line. This, the cut smash, and the 'stab' at the net are the only 3 strokes in which ypu slice the shuttle. There is no such thing as a sliced attacking clear. The greatest exponent of the cut smash or half cut smash was Misbun Sidek. It is a thing of beauty to behold in the modern singles game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taneepak
    There is no such thing as a sliced attacking clear.
    I do a slice attack clear all the time. Maybe we use different terminology.

    Whatever you want to call it, this is what I do:

    1) I do a hard/strong clear with a low trajectory (low trajectory to give the opponent less time to get to the shuttle)

    2) I cut/slice the bird so the shuttle drops faster and stays in bounds.

    3) This is an offensive move, an attack.

    So, it's a slice attack clear or attack clear slice or clear slice attack...whatever you want to call it, but that's what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S4MadMan
    You want to hit the shuttle deep to the baseline but are afraid of hitting it out. Solution: slice attack clear. ... You slice the shuttle to prevent it from going out.
    Slicing is not necessary here. All you have to do is slow down your arm swing.

    Slicing gives little to no benefit in clears. By slicing the shuttle, you will reduce the accuracy of your stroke. With fast drop shots (especially crosscourt for singles), this reduced accuracy is worthwhile, because you get massive gains in deception and also the trajectory will be improved.

    But it doesn't work for clears. The rapid deceleration only occurs during the early part of the shuttle's flight, when it is spinning. After that, the shuttle has corrected itself and will fly straight. So your idea of a sliced attacking clear that goes right to the back line, then dies, is just a dream. It won't work.

    A sliced clear could be slightly more deceptive than an ordinary clear, but not much. It's not worth the accuracy penaltly.

    Useful occasions for slice:

    • Drop shots: improves deception and trajectory
    • Smashes: unsettles defender's timing
    • Net shots: can make the shuttle tumble
    • Net play: can allow fakes at the net
    • Service: can make deceptive wide serves both forehand and backhand, low and flick


    Occasions NOT to use slice:

    • Clears: accuracy penalty, negligible deception benefits
    • Lifts: accuracy penalty, negligible benefits
    • Straight serve: maximum accuracy required for your low serve in doubles, so save the slice for wide serves. Subtle upwards brushing movement, however, can help the shuttle stay low over the net.
    • Net kills: just get the shuttle on the ground. Straight route is the shortest.
    • Drives: top spin doesn't work in badminton. Keep it simple, play it accurately
    • Net shots with the shuttle a little bit away from the net: by the time the shuttle crosses the net, all the tumbling will have stopped. Save the tumble for really tight net shots; on less tight net shots, go for maximum accuracy with no tumble
    • Pushes from the midcourt: same problem, but worse.
    • Smash defence: don't be silly. Accuracy and simple, quick movements are more important. Slice will have minimal benefits.
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    pardon my interruption, what is the actual defination of a slice?

    It is:-
    1) hit the shuttle using the same forward motion but angle the racquet head

    or

    2) hit the shuttle square but move the racquet from left-to-right or right-to-left during contact?

    this lead to my next question, is there a difference when i hit the shuttle using the left-to-right and right-to-left motions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kamen
    pardon my interruption, what is the actual defination of a slice?

    It is:-
    1) hit the shuttle using the same forward motion but angle the racquet head

    or

    2) hit the shuttle square but move the racquet from left-to-right or right-to-left during contact?

    this lead to my next question, is there a difference when i hit the shuttle using the left-to-right and right-to-left motions?
    That's a very good question

    Slice occurs whenever the shuttle is struck with a glancing blow. Striking the shuttle without slice means that your racket motion is in the direction of the intended stroke, and your racket faces the shuttle directly ("square" to the shuttle).

    So as you can see, the two elements of slice that you described are mixed up in the same definition.

    However you argue the semantics, it is important to distinguish between these actions. The second action, where you drag the strings of your racket across the shuttle, is referred to as "brushing" (or sometimes "wiping").

    A small amount of brushing is present in all sliced shots, but some slices use brushing exclusively, without an angled racket face (for example, the tumble net shot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gollum
    Slicing is not necessary here. All you have to do is slow down your arm swing.
    It will not work. If I slow down my arm swing, the shuttle will slow down and I will not be able to win that point.

    I'm done here, you guys don't understand what I am referring to but it's OK. You do your thing and I'll do mine.

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    Thees two pictures illustrate a slice drop shot and a smash. Note the difference in wrist and shoulder of Zhang Ning in the two figures. In a slice drop shot, the shoulder muscle is not much rotated. Plus, the last movement is not a pronation, but a combination of wrist and finger movements.
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    I'm trying to look for pictures of reverse slice and slice smash. In my view, there are some variety of slice shot. esp in the forehand

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