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    Default Badminton photos are BORING!!!

    haha. now that i get your attention...

    what i am seeking is not far from the subject title. we recently went and shot 3 days of the 2008 US Adult National Championships and came back with hundreds of photos. by the end, we ran out of creativity (if we had any in the first place.. ). we were getting bored by our own photos.

    so i want to seek some feedback on the quality of our photos. are they good? bad? which one do you like, which one do you dislike? why? any suggestions for improvement?

    i hope the feedback can help us take better photos next time..

    here are the links to our albums:

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    I've quite enjoyed looking at each and every one of those photos Kwun. The photo selection from the "the rest," the cropping of each individual to zoom in an area of interest and discarding the extraneous etc, is not an easy process, time-wise, and not mechanical either.

    The "art" is surely from the vision of the artist (photographer) or graphical editor (often the photographer as well) and the end result is the superb gallery you've presented, and is, far and away, absolutely great compared to the various news outlets snapshot and post up that litter any "Pics" thread.

    I mean, how many ways can you photograph a backhand, smash? Eventually you'll have to portray something extra, be it cropping, subliminal player expression, whatever.

    As with photography, badminton, keep doing what you're doing right, and it gets better.

    It's scary to hear you're still looking for ways to take even better shots in the future, given the current quality.

    -dave

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    crowded background............

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    Names of players would be nice, on the photo, or below. I resorted to looking at names at the back of their shirt (Chandra, Malaythong for eg).

    -dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post
    crowded background............
    Yeah, I agree. This very much depends on the local conditions. All England is very good because they darken the audience. If the audience is going wild, that can add greatly to a photo.

    I need a 200/f2.0....
    Last edited by Cheung; 04-09-2008 at 09:20 PM.

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    Default Boring, not even a millisecond.

    Quality wise, unquestionable. Is there a camera that can take better quality photo than your MarkIII, I mean in this situation?

    I like all of them minus the ones that I don't like.

    Which ones I dislike(This is just my personal preference. Nothing to do with your photos.). I don't like photos that has some part/s of the main object being cut off from the photo. There are exceptions but very rare.

    All your photos are closeup of the player/s. Would be good if you can take some showing the full court or wider area. Below are two photos that I wish I can see more coverage area so that I know what causes the main object to be in such unusual position. Well unless you plan to tell the story in words.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/

    Enough said from a person who has never owned or clicked on a camera for more than 10 years (I never consider mobile camera a real camera).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    I need a 200/f2.0....
    how about 135mm f/2.8?
    can do the trick??

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    Default Hmm, what can kwun improve upon for his badminton pics??..

    ..are you being serious, kwun??..
    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    haha. now that i get your attention...

    what i am seeking is not far from the subject title. we recently went and shot 3 days of the 2008 US Adult National Championships and came back with hundreds of photos. by the end, we ran out of creativity (if we had any in the first place.. ). we were getting bored by our own photos.

    so i want to seek some feedback on the quality of our photos. are they good? bad? which one do you like, which one do you dislike? why? any suggestions for improvement?

    i hope the feedback can help us take better photos next time..
    ..sorry, kwun, i just had a chance to finally skim through this yrs' U.S. Nationals' pics (haven't read all the posts in there, yet). But looking through them, they're all great pics!
    In terms of variety of angles, selection of capturing dramatic actions and expressions/emotions of players, IMO, you've covered them all.
    If there's one thing that's "missing", perhaps our Mike Yang could allow you to go up the roof and open a roof access. Allowing you to then be able to take that 'above the court' shots.
    Quote Originally Posted by BadFever View Post
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    All your photos are closeup of the player/s. Would be good if you can take some showing the full court or wider area. Below are two photos that I wish I can see more coverage area so that I know what causes the main object to be in such unusual position. Well unless you plan to tell the story in words.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/...
    ..i would somewhat feel the same. It seems like, there are more individual & close up shots. Yes, i like the full court coverage pics, maybe from the side of the court. Especially the one picture, which you took in last yr's China or HK Open; don't recall the link of that pic. The one where you captured the "frozen" shuttle, along with ZhangJieWen and XieZhongBo; I thought that picture looks cool & tells a lot about the action, capturing the "moment"
    Another thing that i didn't see a whole lot, from the set of pics, was the players & fans interactions pics. Maybe you took some but decided to not show them.

    Anyhoo, enough "nit-picking" kwun's wonderful pics. Now, let's go get them some more next month @ the $20,000 Bay Badminton Championships tourney.
    *Hope they'll allow you to go up the roof and take some pics from there..
    Last edited by ctjcad; 04-10-2008 at 12:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Yeah, I agree. This very much depends on the local conditions. All England is very good because they darken the audience. If the audience is going wild, that can add greatly to a photo.

    I need a 200/f2.0....
    You mean like..

    this:


    and this:


    Off-topic: Wow.. shoji sato switched to the arcsaber10 as well ?

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    Thumbs up Badminton photo: Showing how Badminton is played

    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post

    so i want to seek some feedback on the quality of our photos. are they good? bad? which one do you like, which one do you dislike? why? any suggestions for improvement?

    i hope the feedback can help us take better photos next time..

    .
    Hi kwun,

    When I talk about a 'Badminton photo', the first thing that comes to my mind is; it should be a photo showing how Badminton is played, in terms of;

    (1) How a player holds a racket (grip and rackethead postion)
    (2) How a player holds a shuttlecock (ready position)
    (3) How a player hits the shuttlecock (stroke action)
    (4) How a player balances himself/herself (stance)
    (5) How a player moves/runs/jumps/flies (footwork)
    (6) How/where partners stand (doubles positions)
    etc, etc......

    So if your photos can show any of the above Badminton actions, then those are the ones I like.

    Cheers... chris@ccc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BadFever View Post
    Quality wise, unquestionable. Is there a camera that can take better quality photo than your MarkIII, I mean in this situation?

    I like all of them minus the ones that I don't like.

    Which ones I dislike(This is just my personal preference. Nothing to do with your photos.). I don't like photos that has some part/s of the main object being cut off from the photo. There are exceptions but very rare.

    All your photos are closeup of the player/s. Would be good if you can take some showing the full court or wider area. Below are two photos that I wish I can see more coverage area so that I know what causes the main object to be in such unusual position. Well unless you plan to tell the story in words.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/

    Enough said from a person who has never owned or clicked on a camera for more than 10 years (I never consider mobile camera a real camera).
    How tastes differ ... I was actually going to suggest more of these types of shots. By now everything suggested by chris@ccc has been done by now over and over and like Kwun feels over again . The angle on the 2nd pic is a bit (too) odd and the 1st looks like it was too late but the general idea I like . Especially more closeups of faces or just the arms & torso with a shuttle in sight (I guess that could fall into chriss@ccc's no.2 category, doubles serve or something but was thinking more of doubles defense here) ... some pics that show a little emotion would be nice as well :P emotion after scoring a big point or failing on a big point or an easy shot etc. Only seem to see action shots now ...
    Last edited by demolidor; 04-10-2008 at 06:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post

    How tastes differ ... I was actually going to suggest more of these types of shots. By now everything suggested by chris@ccc has been done by now over and over and like kwun feels over again . The angle on the 2nd pic is a bit (too) odd and the 1st looks like it was too late but the general idea I like . Especially more closeups of faces or just the arms & torso with a shuttle in sight (I guess that could fall into chris@ccc's no.2 category, doubles serve or something but was thinking more of doubles defense here) ... some pics that show a little emotion would be nice as well :P emotion after scoring a big point or failing on a big point or an easy shot etc. Only seem to see action shots now ...

    .
    Yes... I was talking about 'Badminton photos'. However, many fans of certain players would love to see any photo taken of their idols.
    .

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    I know how you feel kwun..

    it is an art form and a skill.. i think all you can do is carry on snapping away... most of the pics wll be run of the mill.. but every so often you will get one that you personally are really chuffed with.. it's those pics that you do it for.. it's nice to get compliments from other people.. but the final say is with yourself, and we're always our own fiercest critics.

    carry on doing what your doing kwun.. but do it for yourself

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    thanks Dave. we have certainly came some ways from when we started to take serious badminton photos. however, we have gotten to the point where i think more thought is needed to move to the next level.

    Quote Originally Posted by wood_22_chuck View Post
    I mean, how many ways can you photograph a backhand, smash? Eventually you'll have to portray something extra, be it cropping, subliminal player expression, whatever.

    As with photography, badminton, keep doing what you're doing right, and it gets better.
    yeah, that's the thing. we have experimented and tried many angles, shots, posture. but we have started to run out. there must be something we missed? i know that in many other photo discipline, good photographer can find the proper composition and angle, have the "eye" for good shots. that's what i want to understand.


    It's scary to hear you're still looking for ways to take even better shots in the future, given the current quality.
    -dave
    i don't want to stand still in one level, need to keep learning and improve our photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wood_22_chuck View Post
    Names of players would be nice, on the photo, or below. I resorted to looking at names at the back of their shirt (Chandra, Malaythong for eg).

    -dave
    yeah. that's a good one. better captions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Yeah, I agree. This very much depends on the local conditions. All England is very good because they darken the audience. If the audience is going wild, that can add greatly to a photo.

    I need a 200/f2.0....
    yeah. we try to find spots that has less cluttered background. but for that particular tournament, we might need to be hung down from the roof in order for that to happen.

    Cheung, 135/2... you know you want it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadFever View Post
    Quality wise, unquestionable. Is there a camera that can take better quality photo than your MarkIII, I mean in this situation?

    I like all of them minus the ones that I don't like.

    Which ones I dislike(This is just my personal preference. Nothing to do with your photos.). I don't like photos that has some part/s of the main object being cut off from the photo. There are exceptions but very rare.

    All your photos are closeup of the player/s. Would be good if you can take some showing the full court or wider area. Below are two photos that I wish I can see more coverage area so that I know what causes the main object to be in such unusual position. Well unless you plan to tell the story in words.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmpsmas...7604389647358/

    Enough said from a person who has never owned or clicked on a camera for more than 10 years (I never consider mobile camera a real camera).
    thanks. yeah. that's a good feedback also. post-action shots are quite interesting. will keep that in mind.

    i think it is valuable to have feedback from non-photographer, although the feedback is usually different than photographer's feedback, they are also good feedback as the majority of the viewers are not photographers.

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