Knee Injuries

**colekwok** · 06-10-2009, 08:45 AM

I am sure you can wear one on court, but your movement will be very limited and this thing is made from neoprene, you can imagine how hot it is going to be.

I wear it now during the day, it helps a lot, especially for walking 'down' the stairs. Like you said, it takes a bit of the pressure from the joint. But honestly, it is not a solid metal brace and is only secured by velcro straps, it will not take away all the loads generated from your body. For me, it just secure my lateral movement to prevent further twisting motions.

**pramana** · 06-17-2009, 04:56 PM

While you are injured, I think it is better if you are not playing "hard" games.
Let's the injury heals, before you do any stretching action.

By the way, I used knee wrap for healing purposes made by Nature Creation (www.naturecreation.com). The product is not intended to be used while playing, but it works pretty effective to reduces tingling pain around the knee and connection bones. Just heat the wrap in the microwave for approximately 1-2 minutes and upon application you will feel something sensitive around the pain area is being numbed. After 3-4 treatments, the sensitive pain area will suddenly be gone.

According to the site, the wrap is filled with 9 different herbs, so probably one or some of those herbs work on my pain.

I also have shoulder pain, which I treated with the Nature Creation products.

Just try it out and see if it works on you

**Kiloo** · 07-07-2009, 12:31 PM

OK for 2 weeks now I had to cut my play. Cause: Knee pain. Has anyone tried Shark Cartilage and/or Collagen B as treatment? If yes how did it fare? Thnx

**justinwyyau** · 07-12-2009, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kiloo

OK for 2 weeks now I had to cut my play. Cause: Knee pain. Has anyone tried Shark Cartilage and/or Collagen B as treatment? If yes how did it fare? Thnx

Hi Kiloo,

There was a good thread http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...highlight=knee which has a lot of good recommendations on what to do. Specifically read the posts by Cheung, redkingjoe and others. Credits to them.

What I took from that thread and my own research, I take the following:
- 3,000 mg of glucosamine sulfate
- 1,200 mg of chrondroitin sulfate
- 1,000 mg of calcium
- 800 IU of vitamin D
- multi vitamin and vitamin C

In that thread, redkingjoe also recommends bromelian as a supplement, but I cannot get it here in Penang, Malaysia and I am not well versed with our customs on purchasing those.

Other than that, I work on being 'soft' and economical and to glide while doing footwork drills and also while playing. The more force you exert to get to the forecourt to retrieve that net shot, the same equal amount of force on the opposite direction will impact your knees and cartilage when you stop and scurry back to the middle court. So I work on that and being nimble and soft on my footwork, so that I just exert the minimal amount of force/economical to reach the shuttle and move back.

Justin

**Kiloo** · 07-13-2009, 12:20 AM

Thanx Justin,

I actually take 1/2 that everyday and that has been for a while now.....prob 2 years. The latest damages is as U say, forcibly retrieving and scurrying back. I am working on the glide technique too, puts more stress on the Achilles Tendons though. I will rest during the month of Ramadan and see what improvement comes after that. I am chkg that thread too. Thanx

Kiloo

**justinwyyau** · 07-13-2009, 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by Kiloo

Thanx Justin,

I actually take 1/2 that everyday and that has been for a while now.....prob 2 years. The latest damages is as U say, forcibly retrieving and scurrying back. I am working on the glide technique too, puts more stress on the Achilles Tendons though. I will rest during the month of Ramadan and see what improvement comes after that. I am chkg that thread too. Thanx

Kiloo

1/2 or anything lower, might not be enough. You may just be taking a 'maintenance' dose as opposed to a 'repair' dose. So try upping the dosage to what I am taking daily as above, for a month and see how it goes. No harm in trying and as far as I know, there have been no cases of overdosing on glucosamine etc.

Check your shoes also. The cushioning might have worn off, so perhaps a good investment in a new pair of badminton shoes will be good. Mizuno (the 7KM models), Victor (I use VT-7000), Asics and Yonex (SHB 91,98,99,100,101,200) makes good pairs. Make sure you don't skimp on shoes, and get those with fore and rear foot cushioning. Pay special attention to in-soles too to fit your foot type.

Other than that, perhaps maybe lose some weight. Less mass, less force.

Oh, and do take my word with a pinch of salt

Justin

**Kiloo** · 07-13-2009, 05:24 AM

No, that's all right. In fact u are confirming everything I already do right (except to up the dose of G/C etc). Yonex Stabil used with additional silicon insoles. Weight 65kg fully dressed for 1m65 approx is not too bad actually but trying to lower it to 61kg. But then if I don't exercise how to lose weight. (NOT eating not being an option.)
Thanx for all the tips. I am taking Shark Cartilage/Collagen now in addition so that should up the dose of Glucosamine/Chondroitin. + I am going to rest a bit to give time to repair.

**justinwyyau** · 07-13-2009, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by Kiloo

Weight 65kg fully dressed for 1m65 approx is not too bad actually but trying to lower it to 61kg. But then if I don't exercise how to lose weight. (NOT eating not being an option.)

Your weight should not be a problem then. I am at 75 kg at about 173 cm. I guess perhaps rest is the best thing to do now.

Don't be too concerned about gaining weight when you can't exercise. Watch your diet intake (esp. what you ate and the timing of it). 6-8 meals a day, smaller portions, higher protein, green veggies and essential fats as compared to carbs. You can do no impact sports like swimming, rowing, skipping maybe.

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Please do read through that website for other articles. IMHO, it is a top notch web site.

Justin

**Kiloo** · 07-13-2009, 09:45 AM

Hey, thanx man for all that. I'll post back when I get better to encourage others to do same.

**UKPav** · 07-13-2009, 01:53 PM

I had a meniscus tear in my right knee, although it was gym related ;x can't play badminton for 8-12 weeks now post surgery

Sucks i'm going to miss so many events, Belgium tourny, 36-hour badminton, local club tourny)

k i'm depressed now -__-

**Kiloo** · 07-19-2009, 11:29 PM

I guess we are all depressed.

I stopped playing since last week and wearing a knee brace when i need to stand up for more than 1/2hr. + taking loads of supplements and a couple of limited anti inflamatories for a few days. Relieved but cautious. I think I will drop the play for another mth or so just to ensure proper healing (some pessimist say there is no healing but I strongly believe there is. man I am 48 only and only re-started playing about 8 years ago. I don't want to stop now. Besides this keeps me fit (other than the knee that is

) Bon Courage with the healing

**colekwok** · 07-20-2009, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by Kiloo

I guess we are all depressed.

I stopped playing since last week and wearing a knee brace when i need to stand up for more than 1/2hr. + taking loads of supplements and a couple of limited anti inflamatories for a few days. Relieved but cautious. I think I will drop the play for another mth or so just to ensure proper healing (some pessimist say there is no healing but I strongly believe there is. man I am 48 only and only re-started playing about 8 years ago. I don't want to stop now. Besides this keeps me fit (other than the knee that is

) Bon Courage with the healing

While you are nursing your injury, try do move around a little bit when it does not hurt that much. Otherwise when your joint, ligaments and tendons have completely healed, you will have a hard time flexing them. That is why you probably need some proper physiotherapy sessions (this is what I am having right now

).

But of course, I have not listened to the doctors' advice for not showing up in the badminton court. But thank God that I can feel my knee is getting better now. But even if I play, most of my mates are good enough to cover my injured side and I am playing more like a woman in doubles.......

**Kiloo** · 07-20-2009, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by colekwok

While you are nursing your injury, try do move around a little bit when it does not hurt that much. Otherwise when your joint, ligaments and tendons have completely healed, you will have a hard time flexing them. That is why you probably need some proper physiotherapy sessions (this is what I am having right now

).

But of course, I have not listened to the doctors' advice for not showing up in the badminton court. But thank God that I can feel my knee is getting better now. But even if I play, most of my mates are good enough to cover my injured side and I am playing more like a woman in doubles.......

Man I guess we are ALL the same here

The more I read the more I find myself and 'others' doing exactly the same things

. Like playing mix-doubles style etc....and not listening to the Dr

.I am doing physio sessions straight away with a therapist, ok.

**colekwok** · 07-20-2009, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Kiloo

Man I guess we are ALL the same here

The more I read the more I find myself and 'others' doing exactly the same things

. Like playing mix-doubles style etc....and not listening to the Dr

.I am doing physio sessions straight away with a therapist, ok.

Yes, as long as it does not worsen the injury, it is fine.

I lost the a match due to the injury, which came in a very bad time. One month of recovery was definitely not enough for a pretty serious knee injury. No wonder some football players need three months to recover back to match fitness.

**UKPav** · 07-20-2009, 06:04 AM

I start physiotheraphy next week, I'm feeling very impatient I just want to run asap so I can get decent exercise, starting to fatten up from eating a lot and doing nothing.

**Kiloo** · 07-20-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by UKPav

I start physiotheraphy next week, I'm feeling very impatient I just want to run asap so I can get decent exercise, starting to fatten up from eating a lot and doing nothing.

My nightmare too.But as Colekwok quite rightly said, one month might b a little just and 3 month is what we need. I wonder how I fill the gap. Body core exercise is NOTHING compared to badminton. In fact little compares to badminton

Anyway By telling u this I am saying it to MYSELF:" Be patient"

**youngman** · 09-13-2009, 12:57 AM

This is it !

After 8 months and a week of totally stopping badminton (have posted about my injury within this topic), I'm returning to play in an hour's time. Need to go slow. Confidence...about the knee... nags behind my thoughts. Let's see how it goes...