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Thread: 3.0 Litre V-10 F1
07-14-2008, 06:43 PM #1
07-14-2008, 06:47 PM #2
07-14-2008, 07:01 PM #3
07-14-2008, 07:04 PM #4
and now for real:
That's a pretty old episode isn't it? Oh yeah I recognize the red banged up Toyota behind Hammond.
07-14-2008, 07:07 PM #5
07-14-2008, 08:02 PM #6
Stig is cool
07-14-2008, 08:33 PM #7
I had a look at the video. Seems to be the engine was not running at full power or this is an earlier video where the engines we not that powerful.
Here is some where the revving is higher in the 20,000+ RPM range. These's are the V10s I reconize.
Here is one from the V12 era.
07-14-2008, 08:50 PM #8
All F-1 V-10 engines in those days ran 19,000 + rpm and approaches 1,000 bph. Both Renault and Honda videos show 19,000 + rpm. 20,000 + rpms is do-able but the engine just wouldn't last long in actual race condition.
A F-1 engine lasts on average two races before requiring rebuild.
07-15-2008, 01:21 AM #9
Yes that true, but since the year 1997 when they started the V10, it was around 19,000. Since year 2000 and on, they RPMs did go 20,000+ and beyond. In actual race conditions they have done it, and you can easily hear it with your ears if you reconizie the sound pitch of what the appromiate RPM is. Also shown in the on-screen overlay telemetry watching Speed Channel or TSN when the race was broadcasted.
With the F1 regulations, the engines have to last a minimum of 2 races. It didn't mean the revs went down because as you know F1, they will figure another way around it, which they have done so as the cars did go faster.
The 1 race engines was more all out, especially where in qualifying the engine would run in rev "3+" to get a flying lap (in race conditons, engine is set to rev "3"). Of course this was changed before (I forgot which year in 2000) the regulations changed to 2 race engines. Basically in qualifying they run it at the racing revs now.
Last edited by Matt; 07-15-2008 at 01:32 AM.
07-15-2008, 02:07 PM #10
07-15-2008, 02:43 PM #11
07-15-2008, 02:47 PM #12
How fast can the flywheel spin?
07-15-2008, 03:17 PM #13
Oh no, don't talk about V8s (yuck!!!!)
I read the V10 specs, it's not quite correct since that is what the engine is rated for, but it can can run beyound that. If it only goes up to 19,00 RPMs, wouldn't we here a rev limited kicking in since the engines is definately reving higher.
This is true for the V8's where there was a rev limiter where you hear the engine cutting in an out. That was horrible for them to do that.
P.S - V8's sound horribe and inferior to both the V10 and V12s!
Last edited by Matt; 07-15-2008 at 03:22 PM.
07-15-2008, 09:18 PM #14
Yeap, those F-1 V-10s can be rev up to 22,000 rpm and produce over 1,000 bhp but reliability goes down. To make a race reliable (FIA durability compliant) 22,000 rpm V-10, one needs exotic material but exotic material violates FIA material restriction . The other consideration of 1,000 + bhp powerplants is the G force exerted on the driver. Current drivers are already experiencing the limit of lateral and linear G force on their bodies. Damn, sounds like a high G dogfight . A 1,000 + bhp engine can overwhelm the driver. The last bit is the safety issue. The 900 + bhp V-10s are capable of pushing F-1 chasis to 375 km/hr . . .
07-16-2008, 12:07 AM #15
If I recall correctly, this exotic material was banned in 2006 when F1 changed to the V8's. The cars for the V10s were definately running around 22,000 for the races even thou it may be compromising the reliabilty, but I am sure they made improvements so they can endure the regulations of how long the engines lasts.
Pete, did you see the video of the F1 gonig over 400+ km? This was done on an air strip!
This one is interesting.
F1 vs Bike vs Boat!
07-16-2008, 12:24 AM #16
07-16-2008, 03:21 AM #17
Actually, there are even more exotic material available that F-1 engine manufacturers can use during the V-10 era.
Yes, I watched both videos already . The Honda is a demonstration of minimum downforce. The biggest drag is the open wheel/tires. Imagine a carbon-fibre body shell that completely enclose the wheels: the maximum speed should be beyond 450 km/hr.
The big-power bike just doesn't have the grip like a F-1 car.