BPF Calls For Sanctions Against Li Yongbo

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  1. Akim1

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    game fixing could be reduced greatly if BWF and IOC change their format as well.

    1. bwf can improve the draw in tournaments by not concentrating chinese players in one side of the ladder

    2. IOC remove the 3 players/country restriction. Let the top ranking players qualify and play.

    If u implement a quota system, the system will response accordingly.
    Yes, players have rights but if u look at things in a big picture, i doubt the outcome would change. EX. zhou mi (china) would still beat mia audina in 2004.
     
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    not bad idea...but in Tennis, same quota except the host will get 4 players...does not have much problem like in badminton...

    If IOC does not set the quota then we can see only certain countries dominating in swimming, boxing, table tennis,track& field
     
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    so why complaining china fixing games when IOC is fixing the whole olympic?
     
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    I think we should not focus on China only.
    In the past, Korea did that, China did that, INA did that...like Lim Swie King was being asked to lose to Icuk Sugiarto, to show that not only Chinese Indonesian could win, also Indonesian native too...( sadly it happened)
     
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    who complaining about the china? I did not complain about it...:rolleyes:
    actually if you have more number of players from same country..you have more chance to fix the match...so I do not think IOC fixing the whole system...
     
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    in tennis, winning the US open, wimbledon, etc are much much more rewarding than winning in the olympic. Those top tennis players go the beijing just for fun.
     
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    i don't think so. If chinese divers, badminton athletes are in the semi or final, china dont care which chinese win.
    We all see LYB being absent when there a all chinese final in bwf tournaments
     
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    Being absent does not mean the result can not be fixed if LYB wants too...( example in AE as well as ABC where CJ won, also Icuk vs LSK, INA coach was not there but LSK being asked to lose)
    I think quota like 2 players max will have less chance to fix the match for any country...and at same time to place them in different side of the group as you suggested , it will help ...
     
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    Team's/Nation's rights versus Individual's rights

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    :D:D:D It all boils down to how we should consider this issue of "Match Fixing".

    If we are to consider "Team's/Nation's rights", it is perfectly permissible.

    But, if we are to consider "Individual's rights", it is totally inexcusable.
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    although IOC promotes sportmanship, spirit and individual performance but in reality, it is a game where country compete with other countries. I have said many times, only in Opens where individual achievement is a better measure. However, due to the high profile of the OG, even the opens sometime get tainted due to the OG.
     
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    BOLD MOVE BY BPF !!

    BOBBY MILROY is the kind of leader we need today to promote badminton and to solidify badminton's position in future Olympic games !!

    We all as badminton lovers should have zero tolerance, I mean ZERO, towards match fixing or game fixing or whatever you want to call it, in any tournaments ...period.
     
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    Reproduced from the website: 'playthegame' :)

    Players take up the fight against match fixing in badminton

    21 July 2008
    by Maria Suurballe

    Long-held suspicions were confirmed in late March this year, when Chinese badminton coach Li Yongbo admitted to fixing one of the women’s singles semi-finals at the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens. Thus far, the Badminton World Federation (BWF) has failed to get an explanation from China over the admission. The Badminton Players Federation (BPF) is keen for answers though, and calls for tough sanctions against the Chinese coach.

    After the admission by Li Yongbo, the BWF began to set up an Ethics Commission to deal with similar incidents in the future, though its progress has disappointed the BPF.

    “Not enough action has been taken,” says Bobby Milroy, President of Badminton Players Federation. “In such a case where Li Yongbo feels it appropriate to boast about match-fixing, the BWF should do whatever it takes to ensure his immediate dismissal.”

    “My recommendation at the time was to ban Chinese players from all competitions, including the Olympics, until such time as Li Yongbo was fired,” continues Milroy.

    How the BWF would react to such a proposal coming from its Ethics Commission is uncertain. The world governing body for badminton has been contacted for a response by Play the Game, though at the time of writing is yet to respond. However, given the popularity of badminton in China, it would be a bold move for the BWF to eliminate the Chinese team on the verge of the Beijing Olympics.

    Players unhappy

    Why Li Yongbo decided to go public with this admission remains unclear, though his admissions come as no surprise to many top badminton players.

    Among them is Anna Rice, Canada’s top female singles player and world number 30, who has been outspoken in her criticism of the toleration of this form of match fixing in international badminton.

    “Apparently Chinese coaches have publicly admitted fixing matches for years, and to the Chinese it is regarded to be an act of patriotism to make the best win”, says Rice to Play the Game.

    According to Yongbo, the Chinese team has nothing to be ashamed of as China has a history of favouring certain players when two of them meet at international events. “It shows our patriotism and in fact I’m proud of it,” Yongbo told China Central Television’s sports channel.

    Rice disagrees: “In Asia there seem to be widespread knowledge about the fixing of matches, apparently without this being a matter of major concern within the national federations.”

    Empathy and concern

    Fellow Canadian Martha Deacon, the former president of Badminton Canada, echoes her views.

    “The public admission of match fixing has been of great concern to athletes worldwide. Great empathy and concern is expressed to athletes who have become direct victims of this. The players in most countries will not tolerate this unfair play,” says Deacon to Play the Game.

    Yongbo’s admission centred on the semi-final at the Athens Olympics between Zhou Mi and Zhang Ning. After watching Zhang win the first game, the coaching staff decided that she would have a better chance at winning the final against a non-Chinese opponent rather than Zhou. “So we told Zhou Mi not to work too hard and let Zhang into the final,” Yongbo, the Chinese coach, told television reporters.

    Zhang won the gold as planned over Mia Audina representing the Netherlands, and is expected to defend her Olympic title at the Beijing Games in August. After the tournament, Zhou quit the Chinese team and went to play for Hong Kong. She has now qualified to represent the territory at the Beijing Olympics.

    The Players Federation takes this case very seriously: “The BPF will continue to push for harsher sanctions against anyone caught match fixing. It is also our intention to open an investigation into match fixing practices,” says Bobby Milroy to Play the Game.

    Match fixing widespread

    Apparently the 2004 Olympics case was not a one-off. “The issue of match fixing is not only a problem in the women's singles, it affects all five disciplines,” writes Rice on her personal blog http://www.annarice.org/.

    At the All-England Super Series Men’s Singles final in March this year there were suspicions about the Chinese player and world number one in the men’s singles, Lin Dan’s defeat to teammate Chen Jin. And in April’s Asian Championship in Malaysia, Lin Dan again failed to play his best as he lost to Chen Jin in the semi-finals.

    Experts suggest that Lin Dan threw the match in order to get Chen Jin into the final to ensure a ranking of fourth in the world, thereby guaranteeing qualification for the Olympics for Chen Jin and hereby secure the Chinese Team an extra player.

    “It is very telling that many journalists at the 2008 All-England had their articles about the Men's Singles final already written the night before the match. The outcome was clearly pre-determined”, concludes Rice.

    Absence of individualism

    According to Dr. Huan Xiong from Irish Institute of Chinese Studies at University College Cork in Ireland, there are some basic explanations to this phenomenon, which may be embedded in the Chinese social system.

    “For a long time, no individualism has existed in Chinese society. Everyone belongs to the state and has to obey to the nation. The interests of nation and the state always come first when social members make their decisions. This ideology is also reflected in sport. To guarantee the final success of the games, the team manager has the right to decide which player is going to play and win for next matches,” Huan Xiong tells Play the Game.

    Athletes, who are selected as young kids, trained, and paid by the Chinese Government are pretty much like employees of the Government. “Their job is to win medals and serve the nation. Emotionally, the sports teams are their second homes and they have to listen to their coaches, managers, who play the roles like their parents” Huan Xiong continues.

    However, Huan Xiong believes that this phenomenon in Chinese sport will change in the process of market-oriented transformation. Some of the athletes have become aware of their own individual rights and interests.

    Beijing Olympics

    But when Anna Rice takes to the court this summer in Beijing, it will not just be this kind of match fixing that will worry the Canadian and her fellow players.

    Other circumstances cause concern for players, such as the amount of Chinese referees and line judges during the matches in Beijing, bringing into question the impartiality of the officiating at the Games. According to the IOC rules, a minimum of ten percent of the referees and line judges at the Olympic matches should be foreigners, and the Chinese organizers have kept close to that figure when the referee team was set.

    The fear of unfair verdicts is backed up by Danish national badminton coach, Steen Pedersen, who worries that the passion for badminton in China will mean that match officials will feel compelled to ensure Chinese victories. “Fair play is not on top of their list and that will without doubt influence on the verdicts during the Games,” says Pedersen to Play the Game.

    Danish players have often played in China and they are used to be cheated by the Chinese referees and line judges, believes the Danish coach. “That’s the conditions we have to play under; the important thing is to be well prepared when you meet these types of challenges and to be able to control your emotions, even if you get a clearly unfair verdict,” Pedersen concludes.

    To counteract these biases, Pedersen advocates for new rules regarding referees and line judges, especially at big events such as the Olympics in order to obtain more neutral verdicts during the matches and to secure that the Olympic Games first and foremost is a matter of fair play and sportsmanship.

    More transparency in badminton

    However, in spite of the wrangling and tension within the Badminton World Federation and the recent admissions of fixed matches, Pedersen is optimistic regarding the future: “BWF is moving in a positive direction, especially after the resignation of Punch Gunalan, the former vice president of BWF. Now we need to agree on some rules and penalties pointing forward to avoid match fixing.”

    Nonetheless, Rice an ambassador for the pressure group “Right to Play”, believes it is important to her to get the problems in international badminton out in the open, also in western countries where badminton is not such a big sport as it is in Asia: “I take the issue of match fixing in our sport very seriously. To me it is as much a form of cheating as is doping. Not only does it cast a light of illegitimacy on our entire sport (and everyone involved with it), it also takes away the right of players to pursue their own destiny.”

    Rice suggests a special committee set up within the IOC to investigate the incidents and to punish the teams. “It is important to create a body to ensure, protect and promote the ethical values of our sport,” she concludes.

    A similar proposal was put forward by Play the Game in 2006, for a global coalition against corruption in sport, similar to the World Anti-Doping Agency.

    “We have seen and documented so many instances of corruption, democratic deficiencies and sporting swindles, which can neither be solved by sports organisations' own ethical committees – which in reality function as bottles for delicate questions – nor by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) or the International Olympic Committee. There are too many opportunities for corruption and cheating in international sport, and there is quite simply a need for one authority, which can in a credible way devise a rulebook that ensures sports leaders can be sentenced with similar penalties to the ones they impose on the athletes,” believes Jens Sejer Andersen, Director of Play the Game.

    The idea of an anti-corruption agency appeals to the BPF: “I would really like to be involved with it in some capacity,” Milroy tells Play the Game.

    According to Martha Deacon, the athletes have to be united and step up to the plate to say this is unacceptable to ensure the integrity of badminton and for unethical practices to be challenged and stopped. “Bobby Milroy, the BWF Player Representative will be in China to continue to advocate for the game and what is right and fair. He needs the support of nations, of policy makers of NOC as he tries to move forward.”

    “There has to be some very tough measures and sanctions put into place and monitored for the future,” says Deacon. “Everyone involved in badminton must take off their own ‘hats’ and find a way to work together and find common ground for the future of the sport”.
     
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    Wow, that's pretty drastic and illogical.
    Why should players be penalised for what coaches do?

    Imagine applying such logic to, say, European football :rolleyes:
    If Li Yongbo needs to be taken to task, take him and him alone to task.

    Such generalisations could be hugely misplaced.
    If Rice means 'China', it doesn't help to say 'Asia' ;)

    Really?
    Has Zhou Mi been allowed in? :confused:

    Obviously, Punch Gunalan was not the most popular man around :D
     
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    i'm not sure how much of an impact this will have on BWF. they've known about this issue for years, and no one has been able to do anything about it as yet.
     
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    dont be like that.
    at least, they can get the limited gold or silver or bronze medal.........:D:D:D
    as for $$ reward, not really in mind for them.
     
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    The problem with match fixing is not just an olympic issue. I.e. this years All England final where CJ won, and probably cost the bookmakers a fortune. It gives the sport a bad image, and it is difficult to get spectators to pay good money to see a fixed match let alone sponsors or broadcasters to invest funds in the sport.
    China now seem to have changed the stategy, so when its possible they just withdraw the player/pair they don't want to win. I.e. Wang Yihan against Lu Lan in All England 2008.

    One thing that could be part of the solution is the BWF to pay the price money directly to the players instead of the national association. Its not perfect but much better than the way things are at the moment.
     
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    In reply to this article... all I want to say is that since I have lived in Canada for so long, I can honestly tell everyone that some Canadians are having too much free time, since they don't have to worry much about basic living needs, they go out there and cause trouble. Me, being one of the many... hehehe...

    By the way, Milroy and Rice.. match fixing has little to no impact to both of you at all, since most of the time, the two of you don't even make it to the main draw anyways. Instead of wasting time protesting this and that like so many people do, why don't the two of you go and train harder instead.:mad: Come back and start your protest once you can actually be involved with the after effects of match fixing.
     
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    u beat me to the post;)
    I kinda agreed. If a team or teams wanted to push this cause, it should be the team from denmark, MAL and INA. I doubt any match fixing (if any) would affect canadian results.
     
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    this year AE is different, results are tied to olympic seeding. LYB could have asked LD to stay home. How's this is gonna help AE selling tickets? If bookies lose money, well, there aren't smart cookies;):p If only IOC allow ALL players who can qualify to play, u won't see this fixing at the AE. It is not fair to have chen yu, wang lin and zhu lin shut out from the OG when u and i know they are better than players from some countries who have qualified.
     
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