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Thread: increasing wrist snap speed
07-29-2008, 02:45 AM #18
Winning Badminton, written in the early 1950s by Gustavson and Davidson speaks of cocking the wrist for nearly all shots used in badminton.
07-29-2008, 03:02 AM #19
07-29-2008, 03:37 AM #20
I showed to my coach a book on badminton by an English coach - when the author mentioned in the book 'cocking the wrist', he asked my how I understood the description of the technique. His comment, 'we do things a bit differently'...
When I learned badminton, my coach did not emphasize the wrist, but fingers.
07-29-2008, 04:16 AM #21
He later became a good friend of Sven Pri who unfortunately took his own life.
My friend told me the reason why they could beat the Danes so easily was that the Chinese were hardcore professionals, even at that time, whilst the Danes were amateurs who had other jobs.
07-29-2008, 04:31 AM #22
07-29-2008, 04:56 AM #23
This ex-China player friend is also a good friend of Malaysia's Ng Boon Bee, whom he admired very much. Malaysia also sent their team to China in great secrecy. Like the Danes they were thrashed by the Chinese. Another Malaysian friend, Lim Say Hup, a one-time All England mens doubles winner with Teh Kew San, blamed their humiliating loss to the Chinese on the type of shuttlecocks used by the Chinese (Aeroplane). I think Malaysians tend to find too many excuses for their losses.
07-29-2008, 05:42 AM #24
07-29-2008, 06:05 AM #25
07-29-2008, 07:48 AM #26
Sorry guys, thought I started it up, may I suggest that we stick to the subject: Wrist.
In the other thread I refer to there is a link for an article on some research in the field, the conclusion was that Wrist is for no good!
So why do you keep believing in it? And also what about the grip...?
07-30-2008, 12:43 AM #27
Merely focusing on pronation of the forearm can be misleading because in the end you will find players play, in former world singls champion Han Jian's words, "without wristwork, your game would become plain and predictable. You would not be able to vary the pace and angle of your shots or change them at the last instant. Sometimes, when you are under heavy pressure, certain shots can only be saved if you have wristwork because you neither have the time nor space to swing your arm".
BTW, if you use the wrist snap properly, which roughly corresponds to the cycle from flexion of the forearm/cocking of the wrist to start of straightening of the forearm/uncocking of the wrist to impact, the arm will automatically go into pronation mode. Herein lies the difference. In Asia, it is the wrist that "controls" direction, change of pace, angle, and timing, and at the same time the straightening of the arm automatically pronates, otherwise you will end up cutting the shuttle racquet edgewise.
07-30-2008, 12:52 AM #28
maybe wrist and forearm pro/supination play together:
Hold like forehand overhead stroke with raket, always turn forearm a little bit back (supination) for forehand overhead preparation. then perform the turning of forearm (here: pronation) in
3 different stroke variations:
first): wrist bent to palm side (wrist cocked like end of forehand shot) from beginning:
little leverage, small slow stroke
second): wrist neutral (not cocked or uncocked)
third): wrist bent to back of hand side (wrist uncocked): from my experience biggest leverage and fast stroke
in ("real", means proximal) wrist joint: only 2 kind of movement possible:
put thumb side near forearm (radialduktion)/ put small finger side to forearm (ulnarduktion)
not: rotation of hand when forearm is stionary
so i conclude: in preparation for forehand overhead strokes you also need radialduktion ?? (for make use of maximal big way for power before shot?)
07-30-2008, 02:20 AM #29
You cannot play shots with a locked wrist. Almost all badminton shots have a backswing for the required leverage. At the end of the backswing and as you start the forward swing, you cock your wrist (wrist now at about right angle to forearm) and your elbow is bent (flexion). As your foreward swing goes foreward, the wrist is then uncocked as you straighten your forearm. At the start of the foreward swing your racquet will touch the small of your back edgewise. Notice that the straightening of the arm has very important motions:
1. The racquet edge from a knife-like direction is turned inwards to be square to the net when you start the backswing and move foreward for shuttle impact. Westerners call this turning of the wrist pronation.
2. The cycle of forearm flexion to extension corresponds to the cocking and uncocking of the wrist.
3. When the wrist is cocked there is an angle, somewhere near 45% between the wrist/racquet and the forearm. When the wrist is uncocked and at shuttle impact, the wrist/racquet and forearm becomes one long sword.
4. The wrist has moved from an angle to a locked staright line-this is called wrist snap.
5. This movement of the wrist is controllable by the player. You can vary the timing. Ever heard about holding your shots? It can also vary its angle. It can also change directions. It can increase the power of your smash because an increase in wrist speed is more devastating than an increase in arm speed. Even in tennis, can you see the difference between Nadal's handspeed (closer to the wrist) than Federal's (closer to the shoulder/arm)? In a nutshell, wristwork has deception possibilities and power.
07-30-2008, 08:23 AM #30
Oh dear. Another thread arguing about wrist vs. arm.
As usual, advocates of the wrist-is-everything theory fail to distinguish between power generation and power transfer.
The wrist clearly has an important role to play in badminton, but anyone believing it is the primary source of power needs their head examined.
- Arm/shoulder muscles: important in generating power.
- Wrist: important in allowing efficient transfer of power.
07-30-2008, 11:20 AM #31
I think it's silly for people to make a big deal calling it a "pronation/supination shot" vs a "wrist shot". For one thing, if the elbow is the point of reference then pronation and supination cause rotation of the wrist relative to the elbow. Add in other wrist actions, particularly the lateral deviations, and you have a complex movement occuring at the wrist. For simplicity, we call this "wrist action" and it's pretty easy for people to understand.
It makes me wonder why no one ever tries to break down movement at the other joints - the shoulder for example. You've got internal rotation, downward rotation and overhead abduction going on there, yet most people just call it shoulder action.
07-31-2008, 12:06 AM #32
Somewhere in the "Badminton Tournament sharing video" forum you can find 3 dvds of "badminton clinic" by Zhao Jianhua, a former world singles champion and one of the all time greats, deceptive and exciting. Just look at the way he uses his wrist.
07-31-2008, 12:24 AM #33
i thought supination and pronation gave your shot a direction and made it less predictable
07-31-2008, 03:39 AM #34
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