height for a net kill

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  1. saifii

    saifii Regular Member

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    how should a shuttle be above the net so i can play a really steep net kill. ofte when someone does a mishit short serve a end up hitting the net. how do i avoid it
     
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    A net kill or some call it, the 'tap' shot, can be easier done when the shuttle is close to the net. If the shuttle flies past the service line then it will be almost impossible for a net kill unless you are Taufik Hidayat.
    To do a net kill, all you need to do is tap the shuttle so that it flies downwards steep into your opponent's court.

    I would not try net killing on a serve. If the serve is really bad, then smash it down.
     
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    you can net kill anything at the net to be honest, when we are coaching we always demo this we take a shuttle (feather it only works with) and stick it on the net so the feather shuttle is ponting upwards and the feathers are on the net so it stands up. what you do is net kill it, brush the shuttle in a "V" motion with the bottom of the "V" being where the shuttle is struck and you can hit the shuttle down without touching the net. this is just to prove that you can infact net kill a shuttle no matter how close to the net it is.

    Its common misconception alot of people think you come in and just attack/push at the shot like you were going to kill it and it will go down but you should in reality brush the shuttle using a "V" motion as to minimize the risk that it will go into the net and you can still hit it downwards steep at a pretty fast speed. this will work on any shot thats relatively close to the net in terms of infront the service line and any height relative to the net itself, and can even be done off the serve provided its that bad of a serve.

    hope that makes sense and its the same "V" for forehand and backhand if your a right handed player on your backhand you will brush starting left then going in and then comming out right so (start ^finish). and on the forehand you usually start on the right side then go in and then come out on the left (finish ^ start). so start the inward motion where it says start then when you get to the shuttle you pull back to the finish and that lil snap there the short contact with the shuttle will send it down you have to have your racquet angled a bit yes and all. it doesnt have to be as exgharated as doing an actual "V" but its so you can kinda get the point. if it doesnt make senese i can find a better way to show or demonstrate it to you.

    for practicing it you get your friend to stand off to the side of the court and then they can throw some shuttles over the net and you can net kill them you can go crosscourt or straight with them and can very where in the court that you put them as well.
     
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    If you are doing a net kill the shuttlecock has to be above the height of the net.
     
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    No, it doesn't have to be above the net. I use the brush stroke very often and it can even be taken slightly below tape-height. This shot is more of a specialist shot and is played with a slightly upward and circular motion of the racquet face brushing across the base of the shuttle.
     
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    hey smash. would you mind explaining it another way? the only close thing to a V is wen i do a tumble drop >.< which i doubt is the net kill. thanks in advance.
     
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    yeah this v thing, any pic ot diagram
     
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    hum alright i shall dig one up make some on it then for you guys yes i can admit its pretty hard to discribe easier to demonstrate.
     
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    You can describe the V movement as a push and pull movement.
     
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    ill just tape a lil video tomorrow of me doing it should work just as well, will be a visual representation of it.
     
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    You and I must have different concepts of "net kill". :p

    If the shuttle is below net height, you cannot possibly hit it downwards. No matter how fancy your badminton techniques may be, you can't circumvent geometry.
     
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    That's why i said the shuttlecock has to be above net height to make a net kill.
     
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    Of course it can be done. Who is talking about hitting it downwards? That is impossible with a shuttle slightly below tape-height. A brush stroke is brushing/swiping the shuttle. I do it quite often, especially when the opponent does a net tumble. You can do it if the shuttle is at or slightly below tape-height. You don't hit it down-that is silly. As I said, you play it with a slightly upward and circular motion, like a car windscreen wiper, not with the racquet face going foreward or downward. It has to be executed in a flash and with good timing otherwise the shuttle will drop down to a level too low to avoid brushing the shuttle into the net.
    As I said, this is seldom played. Here we call such brush shots "cleaning the window".
     
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    Excuse me if I find your posts bewildering at times. Their expedient shifts of context are disorienting. ;)
     
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    No, I don't understand why you cannot do a "net Kill" with a brush stroke at tape or slightly below tape-height. A net kill is a kill at the net and is the not the exclusive preserve of a dab or any downward shot at the net. There is no expedient shifts of context, only your mistaking a brush shot for a downward hit. Have you ever tried a a brush shot at the net?
     
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    Your definition is incorrect.

    Net kill = a downwards-travelling shot hit with pace from the net area, which has good chance of ending the rally.

    Net kill ≠ spinning net shot
    Net kill ≠ brush
    Net kill ≠ drive
    Net kill ≠ push
     
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    as mentioned the height where you can do a kill is under *your* control. the earlier you get to the net, the lower the height can be. people regularly do net kill only inches above. if you wait and wait then even if it is 5 feet above, it cannot be killed.

    to do a net kill properly and effectively, you need to lunge and reach out for the kill. ideally, you should be getting to the shuttle right above the net for maximum effect.

    the key though, is anticipation, you pretty much need to start leaping out the moment the shuttle leaves your opponent racket, throw your whole body/arm out to get to the shuttle. it is a risky move but if done correctly will pay off.

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    But is it fast enough so that your opponents cannot return it assuming one of them is standing at the front?
     
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    The brush stroke, a rather specialist stroke, is used in reply to a net shot or serve at or just below tape-height which because of its very accuracy cannot be hit down by a dab. Its beauty is that the shuttle neverthless drops almost vertically downward without the net being hit in the process. To me it is a net kill, especially against a net tumble.
     
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    the problem i face is that the shuttle has usually crossed a foot ahead of the net(observed this in my game yesterday). eventhough the shuttle is now above the net, the downward motion pushes it down into the net. my Q is if i have already lunged for a net kill, is there any alternative shot to paly instead of net kill
     

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