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    yeah, lcw did stated that after losing his Badminton Gold Medal Match at the Beijing 2008 Olympic Games, that LD was just too fast and just too good for him in that match.
    and he did not find any excuses with his lost..
    and he also stated that lost is a lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah View Post
    I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

    LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

    Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.
    Wow, spot on ! The observation is something i missed. A Lin Dan who had fought equally hard at the semis may not have performed the way he performed at the finals ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah View Post
    I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

    LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

    Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.
    If you watched the matches. LD spent more energy defeat CJ than LCW. How can you still say it is CJ that throw the match, and not LCW?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah View Post
    I agree. Olympic champion is greater than other title.

    LD won that Gold medal bcos of help from CJ. (Just watch them play in the semis). But nobody help LCW. He won it (although silver) himself.

    Dont involve yourself in the Match-Fixing Arrangement if you really want people to respect u as the 2008 BEIJING OLYMPIC BADMINTON MAN SINGLE'S GOLD MEDAL WINNER.
    How do you determine that someone throw a match? By time spend on the court? by points scored? Or just because they are from the same country?

    If by time or scores? They are many players lose to LD faster and score lower, including LCW.

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    Maybe there should be a new thread open on this and discuss. Since this is a forum for anyone to suggest for the better of badminton in world sports. So far I don't think it is a fully professional sports as yet. Players pay check still comes from the government body and dictated by them (mostly in Asia).

    Eg. raise some cases of semis match fixing; why? When? who? This can be in any sports and how they eliminate such issues. I believe, this issue is more heated during semis. In finals or qtr who cares correct?

    This issue is going to be happening again no matter what. It is good to let some BWF people or the president himself to clarify the issue (if there is one) or get it fixed (professionally as a concerned world governing body).

    Lets have a discussion and hope to bring it to the BWF members. No need to kill each other in this forum or get too stressed about it. Cool?

    The more the forumers/fans talk about it, BWF will need to act eventually (hopefully proactive instead of reactive). Their credibility will be at stake if nothing is done and let this keep on happening. Let TRUE professional spirit and democracy rules (I hope).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah View Post
    LDs reward is less than CW
    the amount of endorsement and advertising now available to Lin Dan is so much that lee's rewards seem pathetic compared to what Lin Dan is getting. it doesn't have to be straight money.

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    There is no end to comparisons. Almost everything is relative. The Chinese gold medallists received USD51K each. The Macau govt. chipped in with HKD10.6m for all the gold medallists. Endorsement & advertising fees will add to their wallets.

    So what is 'Datukship' to these Chinese. I was told that if you throw a stone in Malaysia these days at crowd along a street, that stone will probably hit a 'Datuk'. Haa...ha.. Dato Asbullah ..do watch out.

    Didn't ppl say that LD threw the AE 08 final match away to CJ ? He was 'supposed' to win. Now at the Olympics ppl say CJ threw the semi-final match away. Now who is supposed to win?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shifty View Post
    the amount of endorsement and advertising now available to Lin Dan is so much that lee's rewards seem pathetic compared to what Lin Dan is getting. it doesn't have to be straight money.
    one should compare apple with apple, ie. gov't rewards between lcw and LD.

    LD got some money, yes, but lcw got more money plus a datuk title.
    what LD got from outside of badminton is different. LD is already a well sponsored since he lost at 04 athen, well before him winning the gold medal.

    Also, if u look at all other chinese gold medalists, they all got standard amount of money from the gov't, majority have no commercial deals like LD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    one should compare apple with apple, ie. gov't rewards between lcw and LD.

    LD got some money, yes, but lcw got more money plus a datuk title.
    what LD got from outside of badminton is different. LD is already a well sponsored since he lost at 04 athen, well before him winning the gold medal.

    Also, if u look at all other chinese gold medalists, they all got standard amount of money from the gov't, majority have no commercial deals like LD.
    I guessed U;ve missed out GuoJingJing / Huo Liang etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel882 View Post
    I guessed U;ve missed out GuoJingJing / Huo Liang etc...
    ok, LD, guojingjing, huo liang, anymore?

    china has 51 gold and 21 silver medalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayer View Post
    If you watched the matches. LD spent more energy defeat CJ than LCW. How can you still say it is CJ that throw the match, and not LCW?
    By how they play the match compared to their 'normal' play.Apparently, there was a 92-stroke rally for the second point? Apparently, BBC (and other non-CHN) commentators felt it looked unreal?
    I could not believe that CHN would display its cowardice for the whole wide Olympics world to see, just to increase the advantage of securing the gold and bronze.
    How do you infer that LD spent more energy to defeat CJ than LCW? By total match time?
    There are basically two types of energy used in a match;
    1) physical.Does 60 mins of strolling use up more energy than 40 mins of intense changes of speed?
    2) mental.If your match outcome has been decided,then no mental energy needed to be used up.So both CJ and LD have surplus mental energy going into their medal matches compared to LCW and LHI. In other words, CJ and LD have a 2-match mental energy reserve vs their opponents' one-match supply.Looking at how LD thrashed LCW, LYB should have the confidence of letting both CHN MS play a real match.LD would most probably still win the gold because his match preparations were way better than LCW.But then CJ may not have won the bronze,,,,,,So CHn traded in their credibility for an extra bronze which probably made no difference to CHN's total match tally.
    Quite a high price for CHn to pay;to have instilled in unaware minds that CHN probably won their MS medals with some deceit.But that helps keep LYB in his job which to him is probably more important than CHN's image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    By how they play the match compared to their 'normal' play.Apparently, there was a 92-stroke rally for the second point? Apparently, BBC (and other non-CHN) commentators felt it looked unreal?
    I could not believe that CHN would display its cowardice for the whole wide Olympics world to see, just to increase the advantage of securing the gold and bronze.
    How do you infer that LD spent more energy to defeat CJ than LCW? By total match time?
    There are basically two types of energy used in a match;
    1) physical.Does 60 mins of strolling use up more energy than 40 mins of intense changes of speed?
    2) mental.If your match outcome has been decided,then no mental energy needed to be used up.So both CJ and LD have surplus mental energy going into their medal matches compared to LCW and LHI. In other words, CJ and LD have a 2-match mental energy reserve vs their opponents' one-match supply.Looking at how LD thrashed LCW, LYB should have the confidence of letting both CHN MS play a real match.LD would most probably still win the gold because his match preparations were way better than LCW.But then CJ may not have won the bronze,,,,,,So CHn traded in their credibility for an extra bronze which probably made no difference to CHN's total match tally.
    Quite a high price for CHn to pay;to have instilled in unaware minds that CHN probably won their MS medals with some deceit.But that helps keep LYB in his job which to him is probably more important than CHN's image.
    china image to the world is 51 gold, and for SG, zero gold.
    So ur saying SG absence of gold because your athleties competed honorablely? LOL
    u should stop spewing sourgrape before your image is tarnished further.

    Rallies between LD and CJ were long and look fixed because they both know each other footwork and strokes, and both have good stamina, and both have good mental strength. On the LD vs LCW OG final match, LD and lyb did their homework while misbun and lcw obviously have no backup plan. Lcw frozed like a deer fixiated oncoming headlights, both misbun and lcw got ran over by lin dan.(misbun looked dazed as well) It is the great mental strength that u have astuted on LCW, LOL.
    Please.. stop giving us game analysis, u r embarassing other singaporians which i know they have better judgement
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    more max fixing debates..

    just for the ppls claiming about physical exertion and mental exertion... players are given over 36 hours to rest and for athletes that train at least 8 hours a day, 6 days a week... with 2 nights of sleep and resting, dont use their effort as an excuse to their explain later performance especially when most of them actually train lightly the next day to help sore muscles recover pretty much like how Micheal Phelps swims right after his races

    also if tennis players can endure 3 hours + games and then do the same thing the next day im pretty sure that badminton players can do the same

    LCW wasnt exhausted during his game against LD, he was completly lost and confused facing someone he didnt see in a lil while which has improved so much and in terms of determination, LD had a lot more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremenanopowe View Post
    Maybe there should be a new thread open on this and discuss. Since this is a forum for anyone to suggest for the better of badminton in world sports. So far I don't think it is a fully professional sports as yet. Players pay check still comes from the government body and dictated by them (mostly in Asia).

    Eg. raise some cases of semis match fixing; why? When? who? This can be in any sports and how they eliminate such issues. I believe, this issue is more heated during semis. In finals or qtr who cares correct?

    This issue is going to be happening again no matter what. It is good to let some BWF people or the president himself to clarify the issue (if there is one) or get it fixed (professionally as a concerned world governing body).

    Lets have a discussion and hope to bring it to the BWF members. No need to kill each other in this forum or get too stressed about it. Cool?

    The more the forumers/fans talk about it, BWF will need to act eventually (hopefully proactive instead of reactive). Their credibility will be at stake if nothing is done and let this keep on happening. Let TRUE professional spirit and democracy rules (I hope).
    I am sad to see that this good forum of badminton always flood with im-mature fans, who have a habit of accusing whoever beat their favourite players with disgraceful grounds, like cheating, match-fixing... instead of reviewing the matches from technical points of view for the sake of the sports of badminton.

    Badminton would be killed by this kind of fans, not by BWF, not by LYB, not be anyone else.

    For the sport of badminton to flourish and enjoy more coverage in the world, we need some stardom like other sports such as tennis and golf.

    Like it or not, LD does bring more excitement and made badminton more spectacular than LCW. So pls do not disgrace any players by un-sound means, as long as they win on the court by rackets, not by guns or money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonc108 View Post
    Badminton would be killed by this kind of fans, not by BWF, not by LYB, not be anyone else.
    ok...we know zn is the match fixing champion in athens...by this year...u can make sure lyb will not say that in london(admit match fixing between ld and cj)???

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    ok...we know zn is the match fixing champion in athens...by this year...u can make sure lyb will not say that in london(admit match fixing between ld and cj)???
    In Athens,only those at courtside could see the match so the damage was limited. For Beijing,badminton coverage was pretty extensive,both in terms of airtime and worldwide TV audience, so the damage would be significant in the minds of many,many more badminton fans.(SS and WC tournament coverage are also relatively limited) (In tennis, they are quick to act on such match behaviour.Eg,Davydenko was hauled up for grilling on suspicion of 'not trying hard enough!' I'm not sure whether it's in the tennis rules but they can see the potential damage to tennis if it's not fixed promptly.Tennis fans would not stand for the kind of nonsense seen here in badminton.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    In Athens,only those at courtside could see the match so the damage was limited. For Beijing,badminton coverage was pretty extensive,both in terms of airtime and worldwide TV audience, so the damage would be significant in the minds of many,many more badminton fans.(SS and WC tournament coverage are also relatively limited) (In tennis, they are quick to act on such match behaviour.Eg,Davydenko was hauled up for grilling on suspicion of 'not trying hard enough!' I'm not sure whether it's in the tennis rules but they can see the potential damage to tennis if it's not fixed promptly.Tennis fans would not stand for the kind of nonsense seen here in badminton.)

    The way LCW lost to LD, I would question that there might be some fixing of the match there as even Ng Wei gave LD a much harder time. Would you like me to send you the link to download the match between LD and Ng Wei?

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