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    Bbn, I totally agree with you after watching the 2 finals. Her opponents for sure are not at WL, WX and WSX yet, but they can still out-manoeuvered her so many times, and they lost mainly because of lack of experiences, not because of skill. Other than lack of shot variety, I think footwork is WYH's another major problem. She is kind of slow moving to the net or backward compared to the other 3 Wang's.

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    I hate to have to say this, and hope someone might want to correct me,

    but players trained in the 90s by Li Mao or Li Ling Wei tend to more versatile ,better stroke makers and smart and able to think independently eg.Sun Jun.

    Maybe the current emphasis is too heavy on churning out consistent results or playing safe and training is

    all Singles-focused .

    Thailand and Korea appear better at producing great players but they dont win so consistently.

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    I think Wang Yihan had done admirably under the circumstances. She is a gifted athlete, but her physique is not so typical of most badminton players. She leans more towards the gangly, angular physique, and no trainer can change that. At most top levels of athletics and sports, they will first understand your absolute limitations, and then work on a strategy to ensure that any effect of those limitations are reduced to the absolute minimum. If she is incapable of being as smooth as say, a Susanti, or aesthetically pleasing as someone else, why hold it against her? She has still delivered a slew of winners for China, and can continue for as long as she is allowed to.

    There is at present a glut of very good, even great WS players in Chinese badminton, and WYH has managed to hold her own even so. It's natural for any young girl (which is what most of them are, face it!) to experience doubts, fears, bad days, loss of confidence etc.

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    It is clear that since the beginning of 2010, WYH has not played to her 2009 level, in the footwork specially. According to an interview of Zhang Ning I saw some months ago, there is two problem : mental stability and training. ZN said that she was given advices about her shortcomings and special training was given to overcome them (ZN did not say which shortcomings, but perhaps footwork and defense), but she would not obey and just reply "I won everything the way I play, no need to change". So her present situation is certainly very humbling. Which lead to the confidence problem. But her attitude in the Dan and Fr opens was very good, she run and not just stretch, she played the drops and not just clears-smashes, so there is hope. I think everyone see that she has the potential for being better then all the other girls, so I think the coaching staff is trying to figure the best way to improve her, and that is being a bit harsh right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    It is clear that since the beginning of 2010, WYH has not played to her 2009 level, in the footwork specially. According to an interview of Zhang Ning I saw some months ago, there is two problem : mental stability and training. ZN said that she was given advices about her shortcomings and special training was given to overcome them (ZN did not say which shortcomings, but perhaps footwork and defense), but she would not obey and just reply "I won everything the way I play, no need to change". So her present situation is certainly very humbling. Which lead to the confidence problem. But her attitude in the Dan and Fr opens was very good, she run and not just stretch, she played the drops and not just clears-smashes, so there is hope. I think everyone see that she has the potential for being better then all the other girls, so I think the coaching staff is trying to figure the best way to improve her, and that is being a bit harsh right now.
    Sounds interesting. A very humbling lesson learned by WYH

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    It is clear that since the beginning of 2010, WYH has not played to her 2009 level, in the footwork specially. According to an interview of Zhang Ning I saw some months ago, there is two problem : mental stability and training. ZN said that she was given advices about her shortcomings and special training was given to overcome them (ZN did not say which shortcomings, but perhaps footwork and defense), but she would not obey and just reply "I won everything the way I play, no need to change". So her present situation is certainly very humbling. Which lead to the confidence problem. But her attitude in the Dan and Fr opens was very good, she run and not just stretch, she played the drops and not just clears-smashes, so there is hope. I think everyone see that she has the potential for being better then all the other girls, so I think the coaching staff is trying to figure the best way to improve her, and that is being a bit harsh right now.
    Based on this finding, everything seems to add up explaining LYB's threat to drop her.

    She wins everything,becomes complacent, opponents read all her moves, her coach a legend with rich experience and foresight

    plans ahead for her, she is slow to respond and gets humbled. The boss delivers an ultimatum and she responds.

    So it is not true that the Chinese system produces rote learners at high level with players waiting for coaches to tell them what to do like Bao.

    The coach offers advice and a plan, whether or not the player follows up on it is up to the player, and she is responsible for her own failure or success.Goes back to LD's motto of not only being the best but of getting even better.

    I think the formula is the same everywhere in order to attain success and explains why some players remain at the top and others dont and also the function of a coach at advanced level.

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    Off topic a bit but I wonder why little attention has been given to emerging stars like Li Xue Rui,Liu Xin, Ratchanok and Pornthip.

    I think they are great players.

    The 4 Wangs will have a tough time keeping these 4 players at bay in the near future.Never has there been so much talent around, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bbn View Post
    Based on this finding, everything seems to add up explaining LYB's threat to drop her.

    She wins everything,becomes complacent, opponents read all her moves, her coach a legend with rich experience and foresight

    plans ahead for her, she is slow to respond and gets humbled. The boss delivers an ultimatum and she responds.

    So it is not true that the Chinese system produces rote learners at high level with players waiting for coaches to tell them what to do like Bao.

    The coach offers advice and a plan, whether or not the player follows up on it is up to the player, and she is responsible for her own failure or success.Goes back to LD's motto of not only being the best but of getting even better.

    I think the formula is the same everywhere in order to attain success and explains why some players remain at the top and others dont and also the function of a coach at advanced level.
    Great observations! Applies to life in general as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post
    I can't say I watched any of her matches yet. I will form an opinion after I do. What is your take on her recent CO form?
    ..well, she lost to JYJ in R32 in straight games..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..well, she lost to JYJ in R32 in straight games..
    Yes, but all the Chinese players are loosing to JYJ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    Yes, but all the Chinese players are loosing to JYJ...
    ..recently. WYH had beaten JYJ 3 straight times prior to her loss last week..H2H tourney record, WYH 4-3 JYJ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..recently. WYH had beaten JYJ 3 straight times prior to her loss last week..H2H tourney record, WYH 4-3 JYJ..
    If local tournaments count,they meet more than 7 times

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommy_bun View Post
    If local tournaments count,they meet more than 7 times
    ..what's their H2H record in those local tourneys?..training/sparring matches count as well??..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..what's their H2H record in those local tourneys?..training/sparring matches count as well??..
    of course that doesnt count..
    I mean local tournament like CBSL

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    Excellent-I agree with what you said. You obviously in-touch with the world of Badminton.

    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    I think Wang Yihan had done admirably under the circumstances. She is a gifted athlete, but her physique is not so typical of most badminton players. She leans more towards the gangly, angular physique, and no trainer can change that. At most top levels of athletics and sports, they will first understand your absolute limitations, and then work on a strategy to ensure that any effect of those limitations are reduced to the absolute minimum. If she is incapable of being as smooth as say, a Susanti, or aesthetically pleasing as someone else, why hold it against her? She has still delivered a slew of winners for China, and can continue for as long as she is allowed to.

    There is at present a glut of very good, even great WS players in Chinese badminton, and WYH has managed to hold her own even so. It's natural for any young girl (which is what most of them are, face it!) to experience doubts, fears, bad days, loss of confidence etc.

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    Jiayou Yihan !!!

    Hope she wins the SS finals.

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    Thumbs up Wishing Yihan all the best too

    Quote Originally Posted by rosken46 View Post
    Jiayou Yihan !!!

    Hope she wins the SS finals.
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    It's not going to be easy. Nevertheless, I shall be wishing Yihan all the best too.
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