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09-29-2008, 10:11 AM #69
First of all, Sony won fair and square in this last 2 SS. No doubt about it. All others including CHN media should not raise any excuses whatsoever.
Now, referring to the above,
Where were you when all the excuses were made by INA and MAS fans when the Chinese shuttles won... I never heard you came out and asked those guys to stop all their excuses
However, as soon as someone came up with excuses against an INA's win... all of a sudden, you turn into the INCREDIBLE HULK and start whining and crying about others not respecting INA players
09-29-2008, 10:22 AM #70
It's ok that we celebrate Soni's recent accomplishment, but there's no need to put down others. CJ got an AE title, that's the fact. HH got an AE title, too, even though his entire career was so-so. However, do you wantt o strip HH's AE title, because he's way under achieve later in his career?
Whether CJ has an easier final or Semi or not, he needs to get to that far 1st. And what's wrong for CJ to celebrate after secure a spot in OG? Remember, based on his ranking, he can go to OG any day he wants to. However, he has to fight so hard (no one else has to suffer, besides his own CHN teammates) to even get in. Why can't he express some enjoyment?
If you argue this way, I will say that many CHN players are clearly better than Soni or Maria from time to time, but they were not even given a chance to play OG or AE or WC. Many of them are SS title holders, WC runner ups or even WC champions.
Tell me XXZ did not get to play OG 04, and Chen Yu never going to OG. Can I argue that if they ever went, maybe who ever the title holder might not even pass 1st or 2nd round if they do clash in earlier round? So, will you say TH's OG 04 is also "gifted"? As XXZ was the WC 03 champion, and not even permitted to play?
09-29-2008, 10:28 AM #71
Great, I am very sick and tired of every time CHN wins, there are excuses about this team, that coach, etc...
CJ lost, ok, so? Did Soni get OG bronze? I don't think so. Did Soni get AE or even in the semi or final, no...
For the past few weeks, Soni is the best (with the absence of LD, and partially LCW). The career colletables, CJ is leading Soni regardless you say which year's title is easier or not.
And what's wrong with injury? I remember in 2005, Soni was almost disappeared, due to some injury. I am sure he was fine before he's been bugged down. Many athelets' have injuries go with their life time. Whether they can hold on to perform to a standard, it's really day to day. It's not like CJ suddenly claim that he lost 2 legs or something...
09-29-2008, 10:31 AM #72
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09-29-2008, 11:18 AM #75
Never fails, if China lost, China fans makes excuse, if MAS lost, MAS fans makes excuse, if INA lost, INA fans makes excuse.....and it goes round and round and round....
09-29-2008, 12:54 PM #76
09-29-2008, 01:15 PM #77
The difference is, at least in this forum, the CHN supporters don't blame INA/MAS coaches, staffs, dad, mom, etc when INA or MAS won a title. However, whenever CHN won a title, it's never "clean" (according here), on top of the player him/herself, the coach, staff, mom and dad all need to go through a court time or two...
So, if CHN win, they got flamed. If they lose (when their mainly only sent 2nd tier and a few) they got toasted, too.
09-29-2008, 01:18 PM #78
Any title is a great honor, however, the value (or weight) of it are different. I can claim I won xxx or yyy titles for 5 years in my local clubs, and CJ or Soni or LD never won one of that. Do you say I am greater than they combined? Of course not...
09-29-2008, 01:26 PM #79
anyway...anyone that follow badminton....know that match fixing did have...not others simply claim so...right???AE 2008,yes,cj beat lcw in semis...but....did he can beat ld so easily?......
give u example...zn is great for 2 ws OG gold...but then....people will remember what lee yong bo did...at athens 2004 china vs china semis in ws...if lyb never order zm to do so....surely,zn will be the greatest of all time(unless someone also win 2 ws OG gold in future...)...
i still respesct zn...for winning OG gold at age 33...but...not that Gold in athens...sorry......
09-29-2008, 01:36 PM #80
I tried not to change the topic back to OG qualifications again.
If you talking about fair, tell me XXZ, XXF, CY did not even play OG 2004. CY, CH, ZL, WYH, WL, ZTT, etc did not go to OG 2008. If you have the "big if", I wonder what if half of the CHN team qualify to OG 04, and Roland Susilo did not even qualify (based on world ranking), and LD cruise to final? What if XXF get a chance to play, and knocked Mia out in Quarter or semi final? What if ZL, WYH, WL, etc all come to OG 08, and the entire quarter final becomes CHN national match???
We can only judge it based on the fact, but not "what if".
Match fixing does exist, but at least part of the cause is the limited entry for OG / WC / AE, and earlier the Opens. If you got beat up on the street, do you fight back (even that can make you break the law as well), or you simply smile, swallow your blood and tears, and wait for them to issue a better law to protect yourself, which may come after you've been sent to hospital 15 times already?
09-29-2008, 01:41 PM #81
This is great. I call it "pick the bones from the eggs".
Tell me after 10 years, do you remember Michael Jordan for his greatness or only remember he shoved B. Russell during 97 final? After another 20 years from now, do you remember Kobe for his greatness, or you only remember the infamous choking and shove match between him and R. Bell during 2006 playoffs?
According to the rank, Mia needs to go through XXF in OG 04, but she did not have to, as XXF did not even qualify for OG. So, should I say, I don't respect Mia as a silver meadlist, as she has a "easier than expected" path to be in semi to begin with?
09-29-2008, 01:48 PM #82
How about you? have you congratulated to INA players whne they wi?
I have not seen it eaither...for sure..I never use excuses when INA fans..
How about you turn into "another HULK" blaming all MAS fans and ridicules them?
For sure I always respect them....have you?
09-29-2008, 01:51 PM #83
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09-29-2008, 01:59 PM #85
Your COOLer challenged to see who is better if they meet in final, OG 04 or OG 08..
So whats wrong is that..after Sony won, Sony was better that day but your Cooler decided to twist all information around and around.....
Pls read how it started befoie you and Bananakid trying to "back up/rescue" Cooler as usual...
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