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Thread: Mavis 500 - they're actually ok
04-08-2009, 05:32 PM #35
04-08-2009, 05:36 PM #36
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04-08-2009, 05:53 PM #37
04-08-2009, 06:12 PM #38
I don't see any relevenace if player A or B is better to adapt to shuttles that does not have the flight properties of approved shuttles.
When it comes to changing from feathers to plastic, it is not only "adapting" to the shuttle.. The way I see it it is also CHANGING the gameplan, tactics and shot selecting, based on the different flight characteristics of the nylon bird.. So to me this is more than adapting.. this is changing the game and tactics substantially.
It is obviuous that a recreatinal player who can barely clear full court with any type of shuttle, and has never experienced a string-breakage :-) has a difference reference point in what is "the same" or "similar".. If you never hit a smash hard enough to notice the shirt folding on a nylon (or played against someone who does), you may not see the problem with the cone shirt.
On the other hand, player who play many times a week, and goes for the lines and is not surprised when the tumbling shuttle touches the net-cord 4 times out of 10 stops :-), string very tight and do super-fast jumpsmashes, will feel the difference between the current nylon alternatives to be HUGE!! and unnaccptable for serious and enjoyable play..
P.S. If players felt adaption to different shuttle flight is no problem.. LD, Taufik and the guys would certainly not switch to new shuttles so often as they do in their competetive games :-) D.S.
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04-08-2009, 06:39 PM #39
this last PS statement is invalid for making your point. They are both confined to play feather in this tournament, one can't ask for plastic even if one of them wanted to. Second, they change shuttles because 'they can' or it is allowed by bwf rule. However, other important parameters that affect their games BUT CAN NOT change are lighting, line judge, air draft. Therefore, LD and TH have to make personal adjustment to these latter variation to their games. Ex. if one of them dont like the shuttle, he can request shuttle change. If they dont like the line call, can they demand a line judge change? can they ask for a court change or refuse to play because the air draft is not to their liking?
Last edited by cooler; 04-08-2009 at 06:42 PM.
04-08-2009, 06:47 PM #40
However I feel you are just playing devils advocate in your first statements, as you are surely aware not one of the top pros would "prefer" to use one of the currently available plastic shuttles, over an AS-50, top RSL, Top HEAD or Top Wilson shuttle :-)
04-08-2009, 06:56 PM #41
if a plastic tournament prize is $1,000,000 for first, and 500k for second, and a different feather tournament with prize of 5k for rist and 2.5k for second, and both occur the same dates, which tournament would top pros go to?
04-08-2009, 07:00 PM #42
it sounds repetitive but here goes again, pros prefer feathers before they eat, play, sleep, train in feathers. I said it before, it is human nature to choose what is easiest and familiar to them. Try asking taneepak to eat rye bread with his steamed fish
Last edited by cooler; 04-08-2009 at 07:10 PM.
04-08-2009, 07:22 PM #43
Pro player have been asked number of times if they prefer feather shuttles or nylons, and I have never heard a pro suggesting nylons would be as good, or even acceptable..
I am sure i pro players asked for it we would have plastic tournaments already.. I would bet that if we did a poll of badminton players regardless of skill and asked the question "if money was not an object, would you prefer to use plastic shuttles or goose feather shuttles" .. my guessis that an overwhelming majority would choose "real" shuttles.
This is the real issue, not weather the pros wouuld accept inferior equipment for large enouugh monetary incentives ?!?!
04-08-2009, 07:24 PM #44
04-08-2009, 07:35 PM #45
Well, They can't really "change" the shuttle parameter, as they can only switch to a new approved one..
Other things similar is that they can wipe the floor to "change" it to dry if it became wet.. They can replace racket/strings if strings break (just as they can change shuttle if shuttle breaks).
And yes, they have the right to appeal to the umpire to overrule or switch linejudge if the main judge feel the line judje is unfair. (§17.6.4)
04-08-2009, 07:36 PM #46
as for a competitive baseball match?? i do not believe LD would participate since he has 'zero' chance of winning playing against other top baseball pros. LD won't even qualify to be in a team, how could he play? Please find better scenario to compare like tennis or table tennis. Still, LD wouldn't compete in those tournaments that has near zero chance of winning. Zero times gizillion $ is still zero.
i can easily answer your last question LOL
Korea willing to sign up victor and china willing to sign up Li Ning. Why? for large enough monetary incentive. They even willing to play against players using yonex
04-08-2009, 07:39 PM #47
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04-08-2009, 07:43 PM #48
04-08-2009, 07:44 PM #49
It's good that you know so much, and have so few doubts
04-08-2009, 07:47 PM #50
did taufik show up at the 09 racket rally for feather playing, sichuan foods, west coast air, skiing, to taste canadian beef, to meet haugek or for the dough? have i made any wrong assumption about TH yet? U are free to look through all my prior postings to find contradiction.
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04-08-2009, 07:47 PM #51
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