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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelete1234 View Post
    If the pros are playing where the money is......why are they playing badminton? Sad but true.
    Really good point!! I hope it becuase the game is so challenging and exciting...And that many pros love the game, and that makes it more than just a "job"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelete1234 View Post
    If the pros are playing where the money is......why are they playing badminton? Sad but true.
    To earn a living?

    Not sure if you were aware...
    But often times tournaments in north america were passed over by the top ranked badminton stars because the tournaments here did not offer much money, and conflicted with scheduling of other tournaments.
    Occasionally you'd have a high profile/high ranked (eg. top 5 rank in the world) player come through... but few and far between
    Many have tried, and with some degree of success to sponsor, and help raise the profile of badminton, to attract more top players to generate more excitement in the public eye...
    However, its a vicious cycle.
    Tough to compete against more popular sports...

    "No money, no talk" I think the saying went.

    Food on the table is nice... unfortunately not all our brothers and sisters are so fortunate

    back to the topic...

    Mavis 500 > than Mavis 300
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelvin View Post
    I think Master TwoBeer hit the nail on the head.
    i think the nail hit somebody's head instead
    Last edited by cooler; 04-08-2009 at 08:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    Really good point!! I hope it becuase the game is so challenging and exciting...And that many pros love the game, and that makes it more than just a "job"...
    so then wouldn't they play for free?

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    Yes, I agree. However, it's a free world. If the nylon folks like a folding skirt, then all the fun to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelvin View Post
    I think Master TwoBeer hit the nail on the head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete LSD View Post
    Yes, I agree. However, it's a free world. If the nylon folks like a folding skirt, then all the fun to them.
    i know u guys like the shirt high

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    Well I play with both and like feathers more, however the goal is still to put the bird on your opponent's floor, and any open minded player would not whine about one not being the "real" game. But if you guys like to passionately get threads closed due to mavis vs feather debates...I guess you guys can go do that. However for me, plastic or feather, I'm always ready to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    It is obviuous that a recreatinal player who can barely clear full court with any type of shuttle, and has never experienced a string-breakage :-) has a difference reference point in what is "the same" or "similar".. If you never hit a smash hard enough to notice the shirt folding on a nylon (or played against someone who does), you may not see the problem with the cone shirt.

    On the other hand...
    I don't like the implications there, haha.

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    TB is correct .

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsumaranai View Post
    I don't like the implications there, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelete1234 View Post
    Well I play with both and like feathers more, however the goal is still to put the bird on your opponent's floor, and any open minded player would not whine about one not being the "real" game. But if you guys like to passionately get threads closed due to mavis vs feather debates...I guess you guys can go do that. However for me, plastic or feather, I'm always ready to play.
    Haha, I think if a moderator had desired this discussion to be over, and found it inappropriate, it would've been closed er... 3 pages ago. Anyway, yes, it has indeed become a moot discourse. There is little debate that feathers are more satisfying to play with, but there is a very prominent issue with favoritism and a lack of concession. Shuttles are not like programs or hardware. As feather shuttles were produced and used pervasively before anyone even had the idea to manufacture synthetic alternatives, and as these alternatives are attempting to mimic the flight pattern of these "real" shuttles, I wouldn't assume it could be possible to make them better than something that's already the "best". You can't exactly add more features to them. And, as people have said, the lack of real incentive for manufacturers to greatly improve on them with different materials and construction means that it will likely be a while before they can even match the flight pattern. I have yet to understand why these synthetic shuttles must be made with such patterns, and why synthetic feathers can't be implanted in corks and work wonderfully.

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    The beautiful game of badminton is feathers-based, not nylon. Nylon would only turn the game from beautiful to ugly and crude. It is precisely for this reason that the future of the beautiful game of badminton must ensure that its foundation, new in-coming youngsters, be trained and raised on a 'diet' of feathers. If they are brought up on nylon, you can say goodbye to any of them making it to any super series level. Starting young kids on nylon is like 'concreting' them with crude strokes and skills.
    Just look at the quality and numbers of North American players that play at international tournaments now. They are falling down the ladder at an alarming rate and may even disappear soon. Even Vietnam has now overtaken them, and they do it with locals, not imports. Vietnamese are relatively very poor compared with North Americans, yet their youngsters are not fed plastics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zqcebtmu View Post
    I also agree with kwun, generally, in my area, the developing players usually play with plastic birdies as they do not want to spend extra to just play for fun. 90% of the advanced players play with feather here.
    I think this is precisely the cause of the problem for the falling standard of badminton in North America. Starting them young with nylon restricts and 'concretes' the full range of strokes and skills that only feathers provide.
    We must prepare the present for the future, not to destroy it.
    I think North America is heading towards falling off the cliff.

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    Well, you can talk to the sponsors of high school/collegiate teams about that. Then, you could say, it's not technically the fault of anyone but the administration of the organizations and their deals with sponsors.

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    Either way, there is no real school for training for badminton, unless you are picked out to be olympic material, which are very few people. This is very much unlike other countries.., where there are designated institutions, and the students are bred to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armor_tec_14 View Post
    Wait a minute...are you being serious ? Any battered feather is anytime better than a new mavis 500..I COMPLETELY disagree with that statement. I can't stand playing with beaten up feathers.
    In Asia you can find young kids who are not rich playing with old discarded feathers. Some of them may be 12 to 13 years old but they are pretty good.
    Also all coaches in Asia always use discarded and battered feathers, never plastics, to train and drill their students. In Asia we just don't see plastics in the courts, only on the beaches and public parks.

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    Exclamation Deja Vu

    We have been through several shades of this argument before.
    We have also been unable to either reach an end or see an end in the near distance

    One reason is that everyone here is arguing from a user's perspective.
    This is getting to be much like an iPhone owner against a Blackberry owner.
    To each, his gadget is better than the other's... and reasoning be damned!

    Let me add my few cents by repeating what my profile says:
    "I abhor plastic/nylon shuttles"

    But this isn't because it's a proven fact that plastic is bad or unacceptable.
    It's more because I can't adapt to anything other than a feathered shuttle.

    Imagine two badminton players - one in Asia and the other in the US.
    Let's call the first 'FeatherPlayer' and the second 'PlasticPlayer'.

    FP started playing with feathers and has always played with feather.
    His skills are tuned to the tapered flight of the feathered shuttle.

    PP started playing with plastic and has always played with plastic.
    His skills are tuned to the purposeful flight of the plastic shuttle.

    A great many scenarios lie ahead:

    1. FP tries plastic and instantly hates it.
    2. FP tries plastic and loves its economy
    3. FP tries plastic and believes he can adapt to it

    4. PP tries feather and instantly hates it.
    5. PP tries feather and finds he can afford it
    6. PP tries feather and believes he can adapt to it

    What I'm attempting to say is: "The greater the skill level of a player in one domain (feather or plastic), the greater his opposition to the other domain."

    To someone whose entire game consists of amateur hit-and-run sequences, the choice of material wouldn't matter in the least if the debate centres on the quality of the game.

    (Of course, if we are debating the economics of recreational play, plastic easily wins over feather. Um, to take that further, paper balls win over plastic )

    taneepak's argument that feather is better than plastic applies only to those using feather. Additional arguments based on a saunter in the park hardly hold merit.

    cooler's position that plastic triumphs because the majority uses it is like saying the Toyota Corolla is better than the Bugatti Veyron because 40 million is greater than 300.

    To each his own material.
    And therein lies the truth

    Indeed, if the BWF were to discard feather in favour of rubber corks, every pro in the making would use rubber corks.

    And, um, why not?

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    Now let us look at the facts. This year todate, how many North American players participated and performed well in the Malaysian Open, Korean Open, German Open, AE Open, Swiss Open, and India Open? Why were they so conspiciously missing or why is their standard at an all time low? I don't have figures to support my claim, but I think I may be right to point out these countries also have the highest percentage of players using plastics compared with other countries.
    Perhaps North America should break away from the BWF and start its own PNABF (Plastic North America Badminton Federation). But in doing so they should refrain from calling a nylon a plastic shuttle, because no plastic can be a true shuttle. Only a high-drag bird qualifies to be called a shuttle. Perhaps 'racquet ball' will be more appropriate.

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