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    a local dealer claimed that apacs rackets are made up of 80% fiber glass and 20% graphite. if this is true, wonder about the fake racket's composition

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    May I just ask, why would anyone fake an Apacs? Don't get me wrong, they're great rackets but they're cheap already and don't have a big reputation. I just can't imagine there being any profit or any market for them.

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    I can believe that there can be fakes of Apacs. On Ebay, there are Yonex NS7700 for GBP22.50 (Buy-it-now price) delivered from HK to UK. So there is margin for them to work into a delivered racket for that money. I just don't believe there is sufficient global demand for APACS to be made to justify the expense.

    It almost sounds as though the APACS dealers are doing a whisper campaign to say "Yes, there are fakes of our rackets *just* like Yonex because our rackets are that good!". As I said in my earlier post, I have yet to see one in the wild, not just talked about in a showroom, and I would be most interested to know if anyone saw one being offered on our favourite auction site.

    >>>>original apacs rackets come with hologram stickers.
    Oh, the fakers are REALLY shaking in their boots now!!! How many people have come up with stickers, 3D holograms etc which are copied by the fakers a few weeks later. Sunrise stickers, PBSI logos anyone??!!

    As Phandrew said, the sticker is not on older Apacs rackets either. I have some rackets from an Apacs dealer without the sticker.

    Also, if they do fake APACS, why not fake Fleet, Ashaway, or any other of the recognised clone brands? It's just a spray job away....
    Last edited by klc28; 11-22-2008 at 03:13 PM. Reason: clarification and typos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danstevens View Post
    May I just ask, why would anyone fake an Apacs? Don't get me wrong, they're great rackets but they're cheap already and don't have a big reputation. I just can't imagine there being any profit or any market for them.
    Say for every 1 fake yonex that is bought 100 fake apacs are bought then the profit margin for apacs will be higher. However, i doubt this is the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danstevens View Post
    May I just ask, why would anyone fake an Apacs? Don't get me wrong, they're great rackets but they're cheap already and don't have a big reputation. I just can't imagine there being any profit or any market for them.
    profit of course .....

    take Indonesia market as example ...
    APACS just came on July this year and got sole distributor around October 2008. When my friend did penetrating on APACS, many people recommended it simply because the price is really damn cheap and can take high tension and the quality is good as well.
    So many ppl start to make a fake of APACS and sold it just a bit lower then original APACS .....

    the production cost for racquet is very cheap, just that brand owner set the standard price as compensation for they expenses e.g. sponsoring tournament, etc., so selling price is very high.

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    I can make 1000 Yonex and sell for GBP22 or 1000 Apacs and sell for GBP22. They all cost me GBP1 to make. Obviously, the profit is the same.
    The question is, which brand can I sell most quickly to the widest customer base. I would say Yonex....

    Therefore, all things being equal, why would you make a fake Apacs?

    Even if I did, why I would make a fake Apacs but not Ashaway, Sotx, Head etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimir View Post
    a local dealer claimed that apacs rackets are made up of 80% fiber glass and 20% graphite. if this is true, wonder about the fake racket's composition
    Fiber glass ?

    Are this material really used in rackets products ? I will ask my source.

    No office to anyone or any brand ...just curious..

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    Quote Originally Posted by klc28 View Post
    I can make 1000 Yonex and sell for GBP22 or 1000 Apacs and sell for GBP22. They all cost me GBP1 to make. Obviously, the profit is the same.
    The question is, which brand can I sell most quickly to the widest customer base. I would say Yonex....

    Therefore, all things being equal, why would you make a fake Apacs?

    Even if I did, why I would make a fake Apacs but not Ashaway, Sotx, Head etc?
    People who sell fakes would tend to put the price higher than other fake rackets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phandrew View Post
    People who sell fakes would tend to put the price higher than other fake rackets.
    I am not sure I understand your line of thought, or that of maa2003, or am I losing the plot (a distinct possibility!)

    The GBP22 is an example of a real delivered, Buy-it-now price on Ebay which I saw when I wrote my earlier post.

    If you mean that fakers would tend to sell the same fake NS7700 at GBP80 (so as not to be too obvious) then fine. Thats is why there are so many Yonex Nano, Arc, Arm, fakes. The largest margins are there.

    No fake Yonex ISO23 though, because it makes no economic sense to paint the same bare racket with the colour scheme of a lower range racket thus limiting your margins. Remember, it all costs the same to make the Apacs or the Yonex fake (or as near as damnit).

    Now looking at APACS, they don't even have a genuine racket which sells for GBP80. So why would someone, as the dealers would have us believe, make a fake Apacs when. just as easily, they could make a fake Yonex. A fake Yonex which would be easier to sell than a clone brand, and have a larger margin.

    I can only think of one reason......cue X files music...

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    Quote Originally Posted by markache@hotmai View Post
    Fiber glass ?

    Are this material really used in rackets products ? I will ask my source.

    No office to anyone or any brand ...just curious..

    Got the answer now ,for rackets ,the fiber glass are not as good as carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimir View Post
    there's a hologram sticker on the racket shaft
    the last time i was in guang zhou, past by a shop that does stickers. there is a set of yonex hologram stickers on display and they claimed to be able to make anykind of hologram stickers. pt is, these stickers arent foolproof as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by surge View Post
    the last time i was in guang zhou, past by a shop that does stickers. there is a set of yonex hologram stickers on display and they claimed to be able to make anykind of hologram stickers. pt is, these stickers arent foolproof as well
    I think hologram sticker can not be faked, or else it should not be called hologram graphics.
    The problem is that most of us are not patient enough to study the sticker carefully ,because the size is very small.

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    The hologram sticker can be copied quite easily so eventually fakers will copy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phandrew View Post
    The hologram sticker can be copied quite easily so eventually fakers will copy it.
    unless you got the original picture before making hologram sticker ...

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    A hologram was one of the first things to be faked after they were introduced on credit cards years ago. It's just a matter of cost (a few cents/pence more) as to how much detail is replicated. If someone can make something, someone else will be able to fake it.

    Chinese industry has proven that it is very adept at faking almost anything from the funny (raw eggs) to the despicable (milk powder), to the deadly (medicine).

    As a kid, I used to laugh when my Dad said there were such things as fake Po Chai pills, or soya sauce. I don't laugh anymore.

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    It's unfair to blame China for all fakes.

    It's true that China is the base for a lot of physical fakery.
    And the West has proven itself to be ahead in electronic fakery.

    So, which is worse?
    Spurious goods or e-scams?

    Cheating and counterfeiting are global phenomena.
    It's just that some areas are better at checking it

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    Oh, I do not disagree with you.

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