02-15-2009, 11:07 PM #35
Do you have "Stringlab Stringbed Tester " for Badminton racquets?
If it exist then my next question is, what's the range of the tension can it test on a string bed?
Ideally should be 18~32 lb but you would need tolerance so I say it should be able to measure 10-40lb accurately.
Also the Tennis chart thingy looks interesting and would you happend to have one for Badminton racquets as well?
02-16-2009, 03:01 AM #36
Stringbed stiffness and stringing tension
This is an interesting subject that you mention hereby some answers:
* The Stringlab can not measure the string bed stiffness in badminton racquets. The Stringlab vibrates the stringbed and measures the natural frequency of this vibration. The difficulty with stringbeds in badminton is that the stiffness of the frame is low compared to the stiffness of tennis racquets.
This means that not only the stringbed but also the frame vibrates and it is not impossible to evaluate a good figure for the string bed out of this.
I think that a static measurement of the stringbed stiffness is much more suitable for badminton. Is there any experience with measuring stiffnesses on badminton string jobs?
* Stringbed stiffness and tension:
Our tension advisor translates the stiffness of the stringbed that you want to stringing tensions on your machine.
The tension advisor that we have is for tennis but we can create these figures for badminton.
We just have to adjust the length and width of the string area and the number of strings.
The important thing is too know at what stiffness badminton racquets are strung at the moment, I estimate that that comes close to stiffnesses like tennis of 25 to 35 DT value or kg/cm.
Are there any figures for that.
If anybody wants to know more about stiffness and stringing tension we will be glad to send our seminar to them. It was meant for tennis stringers but the principle is the same.
Just sent me an email to firstname.lastname@example.org.
05-11-2009, 12:47 AM #37
Cross stringers available / new video
Hereby the information that our new cross stringing tools are available from next week.
We made a new video that shows the use of the tool from the beginning to the end, the link to this video is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoktfpQE4C0
We hope this gives a good impression of the advantages of using such a tool
For more information you can go to our website or send an email to email@example.com.
05-11-2009, 09:31 AM #38
I think I will like it for tennis racquet. However, I am still wondering how it is going to work for badminton racquet when you reach the top 4 cross strings.
10-30-2009, 10:48 AM #39
OK we are now in October, anyone knows where we reached with the above device?
08-28-2011, 05:05 AM #40
any updates on that?
08-28-2011, 05:23 AM #41
We have the design for the badminton tool and did quite some tests, which looked quite good in our opinion.
Then we opened a discussion on this board, but that was not very motivating to start production, so the system is still in our coolbox.
Of course the question is if discussion on this board should be a basis for decisions about producing or not.
Please look at this discussion for more info:
I would like to hear more opinions.
08-28-2011, 06:34 AM #42
I was wondering if a badminton racket can be stabilized withing a rigid enough frame then a stringbed tension tester could work. Anyone tried that? I wanted to try myself but the testers available on the market START as from 30lbs, whereas badminton we use between 20-30 lbs ±.
08-28-2011, 02:51 PM #43
We have been thinking about a stiffness tester for badminton, because we think that it is time that badminton stringers can buy one.
The best option that we can think of is is a flat plate with a mechanical tester. We use such a mechanical unit to check our Stringlabs and it is very reliable.
The head of the racquet should be supported by the flat plate or at least at 4 points so that the frame can not bend when the stringbed is deflected.
08-29-2011, 01:44 AM #44
Now we r talking. Please post loud and clear once u r ready with the device. I for one am VERY interested (but not at any price)
08-29-2011, 03:44 PM #45I for one am VERY interested (but not at any price)
Many badminton stringers are used to "Chinese" prices but we produce and develop in the Netherlands, so our prices are often too high.
Iow: The Badminton market wants new developements but cheap and that is a contradiction.
08-29-2011, 03:59 PM #46
how do you persuade people to buy more expensive products when other ones are "good enough"?
telling people that the product are designed in Netherlands is not sufficient i am afraid. you need to make sure that your product are special enough, good quality enough that people will spend extra money to buy it. even so, you may end up getting squeezed to the high end.
think of Swiss watches. they keep time just like the cheapo Chinese ones. in fact, some of them are worse at it than the cheapo ones. but they still get sold for lots of money. the volume is awefully low in comparison, but at least there is some demand. the differentiation is the exquisite quality and craftsmanship behind them.
can you say the thing about your product? or is it just something as mundane as improving the speed of the workflow? how much does it really help to justify it?
08-29-2011, 04:25 PM #47
We sell more machines and other products every year because the stringers hear about the high quality of our products on all the forums.
That is also the reason that we get more and more agents, they want quality products without problems, the higher price is not a problem at all.
And how many new unique products or new developments come from China?
I do not know any.
Our products are all unique products and that also justifies a higher price, because no other manufacturer sells the same products, with the same features.
08-30-2011, 12:14 AM #48
I think there is a little misunderstanding here.
I am not comparing prices with anyone or anywhere. For me something is cheap/expensive depends on the return on investment.
Truth is I have a TF 6000 stringing machine which I imported from France. Similarly for any stringbed tester I don't mind where it comes from but in this case one must understand the trade off is rather slim.
Basically I don't do all that for money. We already have a main business which is manufacture of foam/mattresses and the likes. I play badminton and enjoy what goes with it. Started stringing about 2 years ago and now known as one of the best badminton stringers around here. I do NOT advertise but still rackets keep coming in steadily. The stringbed tester is just a way to provide an additional service to an already enjoyable hobby. So what will it cost???
08-30-2011, 04:09 AM #49
We can have a nice discussion about the trade off of products like the stiffness tester.
Personally I think that the trade off of such a system is bigger than of an expensive stringing machine because stringers know what they produce and without they absolutely do not. They think they do because they know at what tension they strung, but there is a lot of loss and insecurity between the pulling tension and the final stiffness in the racquet.
In Tennis our Tension Advisor system is widely used because stringers know at what tension to string what racquet for what kind of player. And in my opinion you gain customers by offering a string bed that suits their type of play or injuris.
We already had quite some questions from badminton stringers about a tension advisor for badminton.
You can have a look at the online version of the system.
We can not mention a price before we know the exact design but it should be below 100 euros.
What do you think?
08-30-2011, 07:59 AM #50
First I totally agree with U, being a bit of a perfectionist myself.
The tension tester and adviser shud according to me be sold in tandem. I'm keen on the tester more than on the adviser. Here 'people' always think they know better. But 100 EU is good for either. Affordable. I'll let u know how useful once I get and start using. Cheers.
08-30-2011, 03:12 PM #51
The problem for us is that we doubt to launch a new development for badminton market when the badminton stringers are not very enthousiastic.
Like with the cross stringer for badminton, which we sell in big quantities for tennis.
It should offer an even bigger advantage for badminton, but many on this board only try to convinc us that they can do quicker without.
So it is a bit the egg and the chicken, if the market is not enthousiastic the new badminton items stay in the freezer.
I am afraid that that also happens with the stiffness tester.
As long as the badminton market does not realize the importance of such a tool it will not be launched.
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