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    double bundle technique--> Heard about Dr.FU from Pittsburgh is the best for this procedure. Going to have him perform my KNEE with my Health insurance once i get it. I have a precondition ACL, so it tough to get health insurance. That will be $30,000 for the fix is my estimate..hopefully i can get it down to $20,000 cash up-front...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Thanks. We cleared up that confusion. People with ACL reconstruction can go back to badminton


    Hmm, your knee stretch a bit too much? How interesting. Did you play a lot of sport at the time of your ACL injury?

    I wonder if your reconstructed ACL is a little long so there is more movement. Under normal activity, it would not be a problem but with the stresses of sport, you can feel what is not quite right with the knee.


    Ocassionally, some people do need to have a second reconstruction using the double bundle technique.
    My knee stretch too much, i mean was that sometimes i pivot it while play badminton and i can feel something stretch too much.

    I dont play anything after the ACL accident (about 1999) and got reconstruction (like the clips someone shows from the youtube) at 2001

    I think I start Badminton at 2005

    About second reconstruction is one thing i am not sure, I am from Indonesia, my reconstruction happen while i am studying at Australia.. So the doctor only give me a simple explanation.. he said after 2 years, do whatever you like until it snap and comeback, no sports to be avoid off, but better to avoid any body contact sport..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
    double bundle technique--> Heard about Dr.FU from Pittsburgh is the best for this procedure. Going to have him perform my KNEE with my Health insurance once i get it. I have a precondition ACL, so it tough to get health insurance. That will be $30,000 for the fix is my estimate..hopefully i can get it down to $20,000 cash up-front...
    Can you guys tell me more about double bundle technique?

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    1 things for sure I only have 1 standard ACL reconstruction that uses a single graft

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    What? US$20,000 for ACL reconstruction? That's too expensive. ACI 1st generation is around US$35,000 to US$40,000, involving open knee incision.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
    double bundle technique--> Heard about Dr.FU from Pittsburgh is the best for this procedure. Going to have him perform my KNEE with my Health insurance once i get it. I have a precondition ACL, so it tough to get health insurance. That will be $30,000 for the fix is my estimate..hopefully i can get it down to $20,000 cash up-front...

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    http://www.orthonet.pitt.edu/content/DoubleBundle.htm

    Here the link to for Dr. FU double Bundle knee surgery. It will tell you all about it. I think this is the best procedure to get you back in the 90%.

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    I had a serious knee injury while playing volleyball almost 2 years ago. I tore my ACL, MCL, patella tendon, meniscus, etc. I did physiotherapy everyday to prepare, then had the surgery approximately 2 months after the accident and went back to do the physio again after the surgery. The problem I have is that part of the quadracep was torn off the bone(?) and I have lost 6cm leg circumference difference between both legs. I still play and have always played over the last 2 years but at a lower level. I can hardly jump now. I highly recommend isolation movements to strenghthen the leg muscles. But I would seriously consider not having surgery if at all possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
    http://www.orthonet.pitt.edu/content/DoubleBundle.htm

    Here the link to for Dr. FU double Bundle knee surgery. It will tell you all about it. I think this is the best procedure to get you back in the 90%.
    Dude, i got only 1 shaft, should i add the 2nd one?
    Also from my understanding, 1 shaft is thicker than the double shaft.. coudl this also mean that at some point single shaft stronger?

    Single shaft and double shaft. Double shaft require 9-12 months to full recovery, I forget the single shaft recovery time.. Any suggestion

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    Dr Fu is a strong advocate of the double bundle ACl reconstruction. Having the two bundles is said to align the forces more accurately. It's only recently that physicians are doing the double bundle technique. The recent evidence points to double bundle as having better outcomes.

    I know some of the guys in HK doing the DB ACL reconstruction and they have done quite a number of DB ACLs. I think it is cheaper in HK and the hospital costs are lower (even including an airflight form US to HK).

    Vodude, we can't really tell you if you should go for the DB ACL. That really depends on you and how bad your knee limits you at present. Since it's a relatively new technique, we don't know if Indonesian orthopaedic doctors have been doing very many (i.e. the experience). I personally know a few of the HK doctors who do this operation on a regular basis and have seen quite a number of DB ACL reconstructions. If your knee isn't really that bad, you may think it's not worth going through all that trouble and expense (if not covered by health insurance).

    I have seen 40 to 60 year olds having the DB ACL reconstruction as well as people in their 20 to 40's. The older group have very active leisure lifestyles e.g. skiing/tennis and simply cannot bear to have the limitation of a torn ACL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete LSD View Post
    What? US$20,000 for ACL reconstruction? That's too expensive. ACI 1st generation is around US$35,000 to US$40,000, involving open knee incision.
    Pete, 20k USD is the deposit

    30k USD is nearly 240k HKD - yes, the whole procedure (inc hospital fees) should be cheaper in HK, though I do not have the exact figure. I know one US girl martial artist who had the procedure. I asked why she didn't have it done in US - basically she was not covered by insurance and the hospital fees were very much higher in the US.
    Last edited by Cheung; 04-18-2009 at 11:04 PM.

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    Eh, I pulled this out from somewhere but forgot the source . . .

    Newer studies available?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete LSD View Post
    Eh, I pulled this out from somewhere but forgot the source . . .

    Newer studies available?
    Pete, unfortunately your PDF is not relevant to ACL reconstruction.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    Dr Fu is a strong advocate of the double bundle ACl reconstruction. Having the two bundles is said to align the forces more accurately. It's only recently that physicians are doing the double bundle technique. The recent evidence points to double bundle as having better outcomes.
    I have to correct myself. I think the evidence for the benefit of one over the other is not definite and the answer will not be available for some years. Theoretically, DB ACL reconstruction will replicate your ACL function better - wether that will be proven definitively is another matter. However, a poorly done DB ACL reconstruction will not do as well as a well performed patellar tendon graft.

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    Cheung, I have a torn ACL and MCL, but only reconstruct the ACL with hamstring graft. problem is, i only did it 3 years after they are torn. during that 3 years, the joint gave way numerous times. in the end, my knee ended up with no cartilage, and up to 30% meniscus removed.
    would you think it is advisable to go for a cartilage transplant?

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    Dude, i got only 1 shaft, should i add the 2nd one?
    Also from my understanding, 1 shaft is thicker than the double shaft.. coudl this also mean that at some point single shaft stronger?

    If you already did your ACL repair, Why would you want to have another surgery done on the knee when things are going well? If you have another re-tear or another accident---then I would go head and have double bundle done, because now, you at least be using another DRILL hole to anchor your ligament!!!

    If you play know the physic behind badminton Head (HEAVY)--yes we are talking about extra 5 grams added on the HEAD--to make it head Heavy. Now think about your knee, Now you have 2.5 gram On each side of your racket--to make it BAlance.Now, the racket have different feeling even though the total still the same. But, now, your force is not totally directly pressure on 1 pt. and weaken the other when you swing it as fast as you can. You notice your shoulder hurts more, when it at the top pt. head heavy, and lessen if it balance. YOUR knee is the same ways, we are talking about 130lbs average size man, not in pound + gravity + speed moving---->>>LOGIC, and understanding would make Two ligaments on each side will give Extra support, then just 1 strong pc. which can be disrupted if you twisted where it doesn't support----that part of direction when in motion-Twisting: Hope you get my pt. Yes, having strong legs muscle help too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wocdam View Post
    Cheung, I have a torn ACL and MCL, but only reconstruct the ACL with hamstring graft. problem is, i only did it 3 years after they are torn. during that 3 years, the joint gave way numerous times. in the end, my knee ended up with no cartilage, and up to 30% meniscus removed.
    would you think it is advisable to go for a cartilage transplant?
    Well, it might mean you do need it at some stage. Also there is a microfracture technique to help stimulate cartilage formation. What you should do is seek a couple of different persons opinion on your knee. Make sure they are sports doctors (orthopaedics). If the two opinions are quite similar, then hopefully you can make your decision with better knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
    Dude, i got only 1 shaft, should i add the 2nd one?
    Also from my understanding, 1 shaft is thicker than the double shaft.. coudl this also mean that at some point single shaft stronger?

    If you already did your ACL repair, Why would you want to have another surgery done on the knee when things are going well? If you have another re-tear or another accident---then I would go head and have double bundle done, because now, you at least be using another DRILL hole to anchor your ligament!!!

    If you play know the physic behind badminton Head (HEAVY)--yes we are talking about extra 5 grams added on the HEAD--to make it head Heavy. Now think about your knee, Now you have 2.5 gram On each side of your racket--to make it BAlance.Now, the racket have different feeling even though the total still the same. But, now, your force is not totally directly pressure on 1 pt. and weaken the other when you swing it as fast as you can. You notice your shoulder hurts more, when it at the top pt. head heavy, and lessen if it balance. YOUR knee is the same ways, we are talking about 130lbs average size man, not in pound + gravity + speed moving---->>>LOGIC, and understanding would make Two ligaments on each side will give Extra support, then just 1 strong pc. which can be disrupted if you twisted where it doesn't support----that part of direction when in motion-Twisting: Hope you get my pt. Yes, having strong legs muscle help too.
    How much can you afford SuperBird? Do you have 40-50k USD at the tip of yuor fingers?

    How much time can you take off work? Will you lose your job if you take time of work? Especially in the current economic crisis?

    I agree that logic and understanding is important. However, you will find many examples in medicine that what should work by logic, actually doesn't work. In fact, you could actually be doing more harm.

    There are cases of drugs which stop irregular heartbeats. So they were thought to be good. When they followed these people up years later, those who took the drug had a greater risk of dying than those who too a dummy drug (placebo).

    Another example is hormone replacement therapy. They were heavily prescribed for prevention of cardiovascular disease. Unfortunately, more people got strokes from them.

    SO, it's very important in medicine to back up what is logically better with definite proof from high quality clinical trials and high quality systematic reviews. Otherwise, you may actually be doing the wrong thing for the patient......

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    40-50K

    Hoahhh.. i'll skip that..
    Yeah you right, I have 1 shaft so I use it wisely, no need to reconsider reconstruction just do/use/play it until it break then reconstruction

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