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    Please, don't get out of CONTEXT here!!!!! We are talking about LIGAMENT here!!!!

    No it doesn't cost 40-50k to do the surgery unless you have expensive taste.

    I myself cannot affort the repair at the moment due to pre-condition ACL tear and It difficult to get insurance, and waiting to getting into my MEDICINE career Next YEAR after all my I complete my medicine Boards. Even in the near future:It my Legs--and I am willing to Paid for it. I luv badminton and i want to play till am 100 year OLD and not need a KNEE replacement: hopefully by that time, Stem cell is like the next BIG things where YOU CAN GO SHOPPING FOR A SET OF NEW LEGS & hearts & a pair of LUNGS--->>>so i can play badminton at age 200 years OLD: Willing to Pay 1 million dollar price tag if that possibility exit!!!! It priceless!!!!

    Right now, I am playing badminton w/out my ALC: but I run/twist/turn/jump above the average JOE, but my ability to JUMP higher and pain within my knee when bending above 110 degree. But, in normal playing, i feel like superBird--flying across the courts catching every drops from the back end like a breeze of wind!!!! Every night, I pray the lord to give me the strength in my knee,to be able to RUN/JUMP w/out a problem. I look at Every-day to be my Last DAy of playing badminton, so I take it as a blessing.....and I know what I am doing is against all REsearch and Guideline under Torn ACL....and ....hopefully....I get my ACL done before ....a KNEE REPLACEMENT AWAIT ME---WISH THAT NEVER HAPPPEN---PRAY THE LORD....pray for all who have ALC problems to give us strength and injured free.......badminton long live.....long live..............Good luck to all...

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    There may be other hidden costs: costs of the rehab, costs of travelling, costs of accomodation, opportunity costs of loss of income etc. Welcome to the wonderful discipline of health economics and Cost_benefit_analysis. A topic you may or may not touch upon in medical school
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    Cost--->>> Yes, whatever it's take to have a good workable knee to play badminton or do sport you love for LIFE.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Money means nothing, when you cannot enjoy the things you love in LIFE. There's nothing cannot stop you from doing what you love best. Yeah, that why i went to MEDICAL SCHOOL--NOT ABOUT BEING A RICH DOCTOR, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF MEDICINE AND TO EARN A DOCTOR TITLE IMPRINT FOREVER ON MY GRAVE. Anyone can makes MONEY, Earning a title or making great achievement is PRICELESS MY FRIEND!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
    Cost--->>> Yes, whatever it's take to have a good workable knee to play badminton or do sport you love for LIFE.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Money means nothing, when you cannot enjoy the things you love in LIFE. There's nothing cannot stop you from doing what you love best. Yeah, that why i went to MEDICAL SCHOOL--NOT ABOUT BEING A RICH DOCTOR, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF MEDICINE AND TO EARN A DOCTOR TITLE IMPRINT FOREVER ON MY GRAVE. Anyone can makes MONEY, Earning a title or making great achievement is PRICELESS MY FRIEND!!!!
    AMEN MY BROTHER!

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    Errr, yeah, whatever...

    I think you missed the point on the cost aspect.
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    I got both my knee acls reconstructed.I play badminton n harbour intentions to play at higher levels.It got to do with the rehabilitation that u undertake.More exercises better the knee.As for diff type of reconstructions u can do a research n decide.I will suggest against double bundle.its only done by doctors who want to fleece more money.and also messes with lots of tendons n holes in bones plus a longer rehabilitation.BPTB is gold standard but i ve gotten it done through hamstring with excellent results.
    U can ask me if u want to know something in particular.
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    I tore my ACL over a year ago. Believe me when I say, get it repaired if you want to continue playing sports. It might be expensive but you get to be active and enjoy an uncomplicated life. Mines cost around 30k with therapy, but it was covered by insurance. I had it reconstructed a few months after that, and I didn't start playing badminton till about a few months ago. I tore I think the same way Julia did here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHfR2kPtyZs. Ever since I came back I noticed I began using my back hand a lot. I still can't run, there's still pain from my knee, but not that bad. I'm sure with time and more exercise my knee will be very good.

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    i also torn my ACL and had it reconstructed about 8 years ago and now i am doing just fine now days. sure after the surgery, you have to go thru rehab and muscle/fitness training to get back into shape (approx about 8 months to 12 months). because after the injury, the first muscle to go is your thigh muscle and it will take a while for it to get rebuild back up. of course, at first you still have to take it easy but after a while it will be just as good. maybe you'll need to wear a knee brace for few years before you get comfortable without it.

    ACL surgery is becoming a fairly popular percedure among all athelts now. just to think if football players can come back after such surgery, so can badminton players. good luck.

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    Default Playing w/out ACL repair w/ knee braces.....

    Torn all my ligaments at age 15 in gymnastic 19 yrs ago. Doctor told me I will be lucky if I can walk normal again....I didn't believe HIM & I just Prayed the Lord......every night to give me strength so I can play any sports again..........The worst part of the surgery is that my Surgeon didn't have time to complete the surgery and left my ACL untouch....

    I just started playing badminton again 18 yrs later, now being playing for the past 9 months.......check me out, I am the one in green short, red pant: Blue shirt then Red shirt...Got 3 place this time around.

    So Never give up on YOurself, Never give up HOPE, Never Surrender to the things You love in LIFE....and Stay away from Negative People....!!!!!!

    Yeah, 19 yrs ago Surgery look like someone CUT YOU OPEN...LIKE MURDER SURGERY.......PLEASE CHOOSE YOUR DOCTOR WISELY....!!!! only specialist..........Never rush your knee......I wish my parents have a little common sense when I was YOUNG!!!!! can't blame them......

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    Superbird, hate to tell you this but present arthroscopic surgery is way more advanced than 19 years ago. So you really can't compare now to then. But if you had your operation done by a nonspecialist, then I can sympathise. Now, only very rarely would such a scar be warrranted. I haven't seen a scar like that for ages.

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    Default Best of luck to your plan..

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperBird View Post
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    I am planning to have my knee done sometime next year because I want to jump higher and play harder........but for now I prayed that my knee will hold up the game..so far so good. NO swelling, with minor ache...but i play 5hrs, 8 games per session 2x a week sometime 3x.
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    double bundle technique--> Heard about Dr.FU from Pittsburgh is the best for this procedure. Going to have him perform my KNEE with my Health insurance once i get it. I have a precondition ACL, so it tough to get health insurance. That will be $30,000 for the fix is my estimate..hopefully i can get it down to $20,000 cash up-front...
    ..Yes, i'm a witness & i've seen and played with SuperBird and what he shared are real. He plays all out like he has no major injury, until you talk to him. His passion is definitely there. I hope the knee holds up until whenever you're ready for your surgery. Looking at the pics & thinking you'll have to go under the knife, again, make me cringe a bit, sorry..
    Good luck & best wishes, SuperBird!..

    Anyway, Cheung's advises are ones to take note of because he himself is a medical practitioner (for those who don't know).

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    Quote Originally Posted by soami View Post
    I got both my knee acls reconstructed.I play badminton n harbour intentions to play at higher levels.It got to do with the rehabilitation that u undertake.More exercises better the knee.As for diff type of reconstructions u can do a research n decide.I will suggest against double bundle.its only done by doctors who want to fleece more money.and also messes with lots of tendons n holes in bones plus a longer rehabilitation.BPTB is gold standard but i ve gotten it done through hamstring with excellent results.
    U can ask me if u want to know something in particular.
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    But, you do get less tendinitis.

    Hey, one thing I forgot to mention is that even if you did have DBL surgery, there is always the chance of needing repeat arthroscopic surgery in later months as new problems can develop within the joint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    Superbird, hate to tell you this but present arthroscopic surgery is way more advanced than 19 years ago. So you really can't compare now to then. But if you had your operation done by a nonspecialist, then I can sympathise. Now, only very rarely would such a scar be warrranted. I haven't seen a scar like that for ages.
    I know, now Medicine is more advance, except is still slow in the ACL department. The wayz I am running on the floor, I don't think I need an ACL anytime soon, I might be too fast........if i have an option, I will go with Double bundle-->too much twisting in badminton, at least you have 2 ligaments instead of 1, If 1 go out, you still have 1 more left in there. It was started in Japan---so that the place I will travel to, to get it done if I have the MONEY in the near future if my knee burst out on ME. Otherwise, goto to see DR. FU......He the USA pioneer.....done over 1000's of em.

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    Freddie Fu actually comes from HK and moved to the US.

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    Default anyone has had a torn ACL, not repaired and still play badminton?

    I've just found out that my right knee ACL has been torn. I've had five identical injury events within the last four years but kept playing about 7-8 hours a week at a, let's say, higher than what is commonly known- advanced level, singles and doubles. Should I have known that it was the ACL, probably I'd have taken some measures to fix the problem right away but I thought it was the MCL or the LCL; speculations supported by various doctors [I've seen one after every injury event and only the first one told me it was the ACL, after a superficial look at my knee, so I did not trust him].

    All my injuries happened while I was already tired before even deciding to go play- I've ignored my body signals and I regret it now. The most recent injury event happened a month ago, the very next day after returning from a two week vacation. My right knee just caved in again, this time while outside the game [I just made a simple step/leap forward to pick up the shuttle from the floor] and with a tight knee support on- bummer!!!

    Now I have the indubitable confirmation of the diagnosis that I've feared- ACL tear! But!...
    This does not mean that I need surgery, and do not intend to go for it. As I've succeeded playing with a torn ACL for so long with only an elastic knee support, I think I can continue playing with the assistance of a custom made CTI ligament brace. Given my particulars I think that reconstructive surgery is not for me [8-12 months of inactivity would kill me.

    Anybody can share a simmilar experience? How is it?

    cheers!

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