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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    Such nonsense. If LD is that strong, why don't he finish PSH in 2 sets like he did in OG? Why don't he finish LCW like he did in OG?

    Should I remind you there is this important thing called "form"?
    every smart players have a strategy going into a match. So LD is in form at china open where he beat lcw in 2 sets but not in form the day before when it took LD 3 sets to beat a much lesser player wen kai? Should i remind your there is this MORE important thing called 'mental smartness and strategy'. U want more proof? LCW has great form and fitness but poor mental strategy, that's why he keep losing to LD. LCW lost to LD at 08 china open when LD is in poor form according to u.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    Did you read my post? I wrote clearly for LD "2006 AG (x2)".

    Also what I said is, the very purpose of talking about H2H before a match is to extrapolate. To predict using history. The HKO Walking-out cannot contribute to this purpose. It's still early in the first game. No one could know who will win. Give you another example here. If some person talk about Simon Santoso vs LD and use Simon's 07 Swiss win to support his opinion, then he should be reminded that LD couldn't finish due to injury. He can put that into H2H if he wants, but that will make the H2H less precise and less useful.

    Ya right. A person who didn't even bother to read the post he's replying writes "fairly".

    sure i can admit i have overlooked your '2006 AG (x2)' as it was honest oversight, not based on a biased presumption.

    where as u r overlooking 06 HKO WO, it is not a grammatical oversight. To discount a WO where the match have started and in progress as not a valid H2H is boloney. So u r saying BWF disciplining TH for the HKO WO is a paper work error???
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    Not this again.. chillax guys.

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    Oh, then what is the "mental smartness" that led LD to give WenKai one game? Mind explaining a bit? There are good theories (proposed by LD supporters/fans, mind you) in chinabadminton and badmintoncn. Just fyi if you met difficulty.

    Did I say LD is in poor form in China Open 08? He was in OK form. Not as good as in OG, but not very bad either. On the other hand, did I ever say LCW was in good form in China Open? What's the point you want to make?

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    every smart players have a strategy going into a match. So LD is in form at china open where he beat lcw in 2 sets but not in form the day before when it took LD 3 sets to beat a much lesser player wen kai? Should i remind your there is this MORE important thing called 'mental smartness and strategy'. U want more proof? LCW has great form and fitness but poor mental strategy, that's why he keep losing to LD. LCW lost to LD at 08 china open when LD is in poor form according to u.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Destricto_Ense View Post
    Not this again.. chillax guys.
    don't worry, if they don't resort to personal attack and have valid discussion, not many clowns will post here.

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    Oh ya, very honest. Why didn't you overlook LD's other wins? LOL.

    I have explained my reasoning. And in my reply to Chinese, I clearly stated the situations in both 06HKO and 06WorldCup -- which you also agree. I also said it's totally OK if you want to count that into the H2H, but then the H2H becomes less useful for prediction. Anything wrong with the above?

    Did I ever say BWF should not punish TH?

    Why don't you comment on my Simon vs LD example. Unlike 06HKO, Simon already won the 1st game fair and square.

    Of course, for you the only purpose of H2H is to serve as a weapon to attack other players and other badminton fans. LOL.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    sure i can admit i have overlooked your '2006 AG (x2)' as it was honest oversight, not based on a biased presumption.

    where as u r overlooking 06 HKO WO, it is not a grammatical oversight. To discount a WO where the match have started and in progress as not a valid H2H is boloney. So u r saying BWF disciplining TH for the HKO WO is a paper work error???

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    Look who's using "personal attack"s here...

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    don't worry, if they don't resort to personal attack and have valid discussion, not many clowns will post here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    Oh, then what is the "mental smartness" that led LD to give WenKai one game? Mind explaining a bit? There are good theories (proposed by LD supporters/fans, mind you) in chinabadminton and badmintoncn. Just fyi if you met difficulty.

    Did I say LD is in poor form in China Open 08? He was in OK form. Not as good as in OG, but not very bad either. On the other hand, did I ever say LCW was in good form in China Open? What's the point you want to make?

    1. i already spoken about that in another thread and am not gonna re-educate u again. According robin7, i read great chinese. No, i rather not disclose the detail of LD's thinking to a non LD fan.

    2. dont try to use who have said what's not, it only gonna make this thread more convoluted. We all know what u r driving at.

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    Relying on such stuff again. Sigh.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    1. i already spoken about that in another thread and am not gonna re-educate u again. According robin7, i read great chinese. No, i rather not disclose the detail of LD's thinking to a non LD fan.

    2. dont try to use who have said what's not, it only gonna make this thread more convoluted. We all know what u r driving at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    Oh ya, very honest. Why didn't you overlook LD's other wins? LOL.

    I have explained my reasoning. And in my reply to Chinese, I clearly stated the situations in both 06HKO and 06WorldCup -- which you also agree. I also said it's totally OK if you want to count that into the H2H, but then the H2H becomes less useful for prediction. Anything wrong with the above?

    Did I ever say BWF should not punish TH?

    Why don't you comment on my Simon vs LD example. Unlike 06HKO, Simon already won the 1st game fair and square.

    Of course, for you the only purpose of H2H is to serve as a weapon to attack other players and other badminton fans. LOL.
    1. actually, i don't overlook any fair match by any players, period.

    2. hk open, game started, umpire, referee, line judges are all there working. It is a valid match. It is a valid lost. 4-1 to LD.

    3. i was using bwf's action as proof that the 06 hk match between TH and LD was a valid match, or else bwf wouldn't go disciplined TH.

    4. HUH??? i didn't start this thread, and i came in late too, after u had already made 3 posts. What other players have i attacked? are u saying all other badminton fans are all TH fans??

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    So you mean LD's AG wins are not fair matches (therefore you overlooked it although I clearly listed it)?

    I never said 06HKO is not a valid match, I just said putting it in H2H will harm the usefulness of H2H statistics. What are you against here?

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    1. actually, i don't overlook any fair match by any players, period.

    2. hk open, game started, umpire, referee, line judges are all there working. It is a valid match. It is a valid lost. 4-1 to LD.

    3. i was using bwf's action as proof that the 06 hk match between TH and LD was a valid match, or else bwf wouldn't go disciplined TH.

    4. HUH??? i didn't start this thread, and i came in late too, after u had already made 3 posts. What other players have i attacked? are u saying all other badminton fans are all TH fans??

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    1. actually, i don't overlook any fair match by any players, period.

    2. hk open, game started, umpire, referee, line judges are all there working. It is a valid match. It is a valid lost. 4-1 to LD.
    A valid match in what sense, exactly? Yes, it was an "official" match where the victory was given to LD, but how does that help us assess their future matchups? Isn't that the purpose of stating those H2H sats? So, in your opinion, five points is enough to extrapolate a victory for LD? I don't think so.

    Also, I believe LD will win. He's the better player now, in my opinion. No hard feelings, lah. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    So you mean LD's AG wins are not fair matches (therefore you overlooked it although I clearly listed it)?

    I never said 06HKO is not a valid match, I just said putting it in H2H will harm the usefulness of H2H statistics. What are you against here?
    1. if u want to keep arguing over my grammatical oversight, and keep on ignoring the big WO, go ahead.

    2. u still dunno what and why i'm against discounting HKO WO? Are u that blur?? The guy step onto the battlefield (court), and took some swept at his opponent (4-1 score), and then TH weasel out, and u don't called this a battle or a contest?

    So according u you, walking out when LD vs Th at 20-18 should also not count
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    Quote Originally Posted by mugdays View Post
    A valid match in what sense, exactly? Yes, it was an "official" match where the victory was given to LD, but how does that help us assess their future matchups? Isn't that the purpose of stating those H2H sats? So, in your opinion, five points is enough to extrapolate a victory for LD? I don't think so.

    Also, I believe LD will win. He's the better player now, in my opinion. No hard feelings, lah. xD
    so if a cop pull u over for speeding and fined u for going 10 mph over the speed limit, are u saying that is not really or serious speeding and the police should not record this as a speeding violaton (demerit points) in your driving record?Are u saying u r a clean driver and we can not predict your future speeding tendency??? come on, try to erase that statistic from your license record, good luck LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    so if a cop pull u over for speeding and fined u for going 10 mph over the speed limit, are u saying that is not really or serious speeding and the police should not record this as a speeding violaton (demerit points) in your driving record?Are u saying u r a clean driver and we can not predict your future speeding tendency??? come on, try to erase that statistic from your license record, good luck LOL
    I don't like analogies, but I'm gonna go ahead and give you a more accurate one. Imagine you're backing out of your driveway somewhat hastily, and a cop pulls you over.

    "What's the matter, officer?"

    "You were speeding."

    "Sir, with all due respect, I don't think I was. I was just backing out of my driveway."

    "Well, from the way you were backing out, I could just tell you were EVENTUALLY going to start speeding."

    See? I can make analogies, too. And that one is more representative of what we're actually talking about. But, let's not get defensive, yeah? There's no need for anyone here to resort to name-calling. Peace, everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mugdays View Post
    I don't like analogies, but I'm gonna go ahead and give you a more accurate one. Imagine you're backing out of your driveway somewhat hastily, and a cop pulls you over.

    "What's the matter, officer?"

    "You were speeding."

    "Sir, with all due respect, I don't think I was. I was just backing out of my driveway."

    "Well, from the way you were backing out, I could just tell you were EVENTUALLY going to start speeding."

    See? I can make analogies, too. And that one is more representative of what we're actually talking about. But, let's not get defensive, yeah? There's no need for anyone here to resort to name-calling. Peace, everyone!
    hahahahaha, nice try.
    traffic bylaws doesn't apply to residental driveway. Beside, I HAVE TRIED THAT TOO TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY. NOt A VALID REASON WAS THE CONCLUSION.

    here is a better and more accurate version of your analogy

    What's the matter, officer?"

    "You were speeding, doing 10 mph over the posted speed limit"

    "Sir, with all due respect, I don't think I was. Even my speedometer says I'm not speeding."

    "Well, according to my laser gun, it clocked u were going 10.54 mph over the speed limit. Here is your ticket"


    LOL, u see, TH was nailed for walking out at a score 4-1 to LD, he got a ticket too. LOL U see, the bwf badminton court is not a driveway, it is the real road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayaFromMalaya View Post
    of course lin dan will win
    i agree with you...
    Lin Dan should win it
    GO LIN DAN ..........

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