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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    not long ago, when simon santoso was winning, i thot he was INA's savior...
    then when soni kuncoro had a mini comeback, i thot he was the next INA's savior... Now TH. The spinning is making me dizzy.
    oh oh... i have medicine for you... want some??? maybe hipnotic sedative? so you can have a very good sleep, don't need to see the match...

    better to take care your health...

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    do you know where my location is, right now?
    sure.. george... ... it's a twilight zone.... i dont want to go there

    btw gambateh taufik !!!!!

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    come on , Lin Dan!
    Lin Dan should win this match

    really...LD vs TH make me more nervous than LD vs LCW...dunno why
    maybe because despite of TH's performance lately..he's still considered as one of great badminton player in the world and also an arc nemesis for Lin Dan

    let the best match comes tonight...

    JIA YOU, LIN DAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    Such nonsense. If LD is that strong, why don't he finish PSH in 2 sets like he did in OG? Why don't he finish LCW like he did in OG?

    Should I remind you there is this important thing called "form"?
    Yet PSH still lost the last 3 encounters with LD, he is no match for him even though he may push him here and there.
    He'll probably get lucky on a LD bad day, but that's like once in a few months due to boredom and other commitments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    Did you read my post? I wrote clearly for LD "2006 AG (x2)".

    Also what I said is, the very purpose of talking about H2H before a match is to extrapolate. To predict using history. The HKO Walking-out cannot contribute to this purpose. It's still early in the first game. No one could know who will win. Give you another example here. If some person talk about Simon Santoso vs LD and use Simon's 07 Swiss win to support his opinion, then he should be reminded that LD couldn't finish due to injury. He can put that into H2H if he wants, but that will make the H2H less precise and less useful.

    Ya right. A person who didn't even bother to read the post he's replying writes "fairly".
    Walkout due to rage and other personal egotistic reasons should not be compared with that of an genuine injury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by volcom View Post
    Walkout due to rage and other personal egotistic reasons should not be compared with that of an genuine injury.
    Uhh, HELLO.... The whole point is to get an idea of where they stand against each other by how things have gone in the past (not always totally accurate, but can give you the general idea). How on earth can you count a "match" that only lasted a few points?

    ENOUGH with the "TH is a selfish git", "LD is the image of purity" nonsense. It's NOT NEEDED.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    So according u you, walking out when LD vs Th at 20-18 should also not count
    This is a PERFECT example of missing the point entirely! It may be an "official match", but for the purposes of using head to head to gauge where a player stands against another it is NOT suitable! A match almost concluded is totally different to a match that barely started. Lets use an absolutely outrageous example as seems so popular - say I was playing Lin Dan, and he made lets say... 3 early mistakes (anything can happen), and then for some ungodly reason decided to walk out (yeah right - but like I said - outrageous, maybe he remembered he had a dental appointment or something...). Would you then say I won the match 3-0 and now stand at a 1-0 H2H against Lin Dan? Hardly... Don't bother nitpicking that example, I said it's outrageous, but the point is there.

    A match needs time to come to it's conclusion, and a perfect example is the MD just now between Fuzzys and KKK/TBH, if the match had finished early, who could have known Fuzzys would come back and win it? Therefore you can't base a win (a real win earned through being the better player on the day) on a few points in THIS CONTEXT.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.
    You can think what you want, but I think you need a serious reality check...

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    here is a better and more accurate version of your analogy
    Uhh huh. Always better, always right eh? >_>
    Last edited by phaarix; 11-29-2008 at 03:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    there is a different between a WO and a withdrawal. IN 06 HKO, it was i think 4-1 for LD before TH walks out. BWF disciplinced TH, BWF did not disciplined Zwiebler, A BIG DIFFERENCE. In 06 HKO, the match had started and TH conceded or defaulted. That counts as head to head. I think u write things in biased way. I write them fairly.

    In 06 AG, there were 3 head to head encounter between LD and TH, LD won both earlier matches and TH won the last 06 AG head to head. By only counting the last win by TH and not counting 2 earlier lost to LD is unfair in a head to head tabulation. If u r gonna count H2H, count them all.
    You never write fairly about TH.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by phaarix View Post
    Uhh, HELLO.... The whole point is to get an idea of where they stand against each other by how things have gone in the past (not always totally accurate, but can give you the general idea). How on earth can you count a "match" that only lasted a few points?

    ENOUGH with the "TH is a selfish git", "LD is the image of purity" nonsense. It's NOT NEEDED.



    This is a PERFECT example of missing the point entirely! It may be an "official match", but for the purposes of using head to head to gauge where a player stands against another it is NOT suitable! A match almost concluded is totally different to a match that barely started. Lets use an absolutely outrageous example as seems so popular - say I was playing Lin Dan, and he made lets say... 3 early mistakes (anything can happen), and then for some ungodly reason decided to walk out (yeah right - but like I said - outrageous, maybe he remembered he had a dental appointment or something...). Would you then say I won the match 3-0 and now stand at a 1-0 H2H against Lin Dan? Hardly... Don't bother nitpicking that example, I said it's outrageous, but the point is there.

    A match needs time to come to it's conclusion, and a perfect example is the MD just now between Fuzzys and KKK/TBH, if the match had finished early, who could have known Fuzzys would come back and win it? Therefore you can't base a win (a real win earned through being the better player on the day) on a few points in THIS CONTEXT.
    same analogy as caught speeding. Insurance rates will go up if they received notice that u were caught speeding. That is how they penalize u for future risk of auto accidents, even if your speeding was only 10 mph and did not caused any damages. It is counted in their record. Insurance company will not overlook this just because u were only 10 mph over speed limit. Insurance business is based entirely how they measure your risk premium versus their reward. They are statistic analyst expert.

    A H2H statistical analysis must include all H2H encounters, especially official matches. If u say a match stop at 4-1 is invalid but a match stop at 20-18 is valid, what score is needed before it is considered a valid match??????
    When TH step onto the court, and after the umpire said 'play', the match is valid. Even if TH had WO at 0-0 score for any voluntary reason, TH had lost.
    TH quit voluntary. Beside for involuntary reasons like injury or an act of nature ( terrorist attack in stadium), any voluntary WO is a lost, even at score 0-0. If u accept a WO at score 20-18 as a valid lost, the same WO logic applies to 0-0, or 4-1 score as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taufik-ist View Post
    sure.. george... ... it's a twilight zone.... i dont want to go there

    btw gambateh taufik !!!!!
    u should say topik bisa!!
    or topik semangat!
    hehe

    p/s..wow just realised that this is my 12 k post

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    u should say topik bisa!!
    or topik semangat!
    hehe

    p/s..wow just realised that this is my 12 k post

    Taufik kamu bisa... kalahkan LD for Cooler

    congratz to george for reaching 12 k posts..

    you've just won 12 K $points... he..he

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    same analogy as caught speeding. Insurance rates will go up if they received notice that u were caught speeding. That is how they penalize u for future risk of auto accidents, even if your speeding was only 10 mph and did not caused any damages. It is counted in their record. Insurance company will not overlook this just because u were only 10 mph over speed limit. Insurance business is based entirely how they measure your risk premium versus their reward. They are statistic analyst expert.
    Speeding is speeding, badminton is badminton. When speeding, you're not comparing two players. It's a "yes you are speeding", "no you are not speeding scenario". Analogies are clever and all, but they have to be very relevant to have any weight. This one is only relevant if you're arguing about whether the match was a loss or a win. And that's not what I'm arguing. Anyway I'm not going to change your opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    A H2H statistical analysis must include all H2H encounters, especially official matches. If u say a match stop at 4-1 is invalid but a match stop at 20-18 is valid, what score is needed before it is considered a valid match??????
    When TH step onto the court, and after the umpire said 'play', the match is valid. Even if TH had WO at 0-0 score for any voluntary reason, TH had lost.
    TH quit voluntary. Beside for involuntary reasons like injury or an act of nature ( terrorist attack in stadium), any voluntary WO is a lost, even at score 0-0. If u accept a WO at score 20-18 as a valid lost, the same WO logic applies to 0-0, or 4-1 score as well.
    The difference between 4-1, and 20-18 is night and day. Those were the examples given, so those were the examples used. Obviously there's no exact line at which point it crosses over, but you can just use common sense and work out for yourself whether a match was close enough to completion to get a fair idea of who was better on the day. Who could possibly know for sure how that HKO 06 match would have turned out if it had gone the full distance?

    And still you're not getting the point - The difference between an official match, and a match which actually contributes to a halfway useful statistic. Yes, Taufik lost the match. Jeeezz I'm not denying that... I'm saying it's not useful to include it statistically IF you're going to use that statistic as basis for an argument (based on comparison).
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    chill out,guys...

    like the joker said :
    "Why So Serious?"

    just enjoy the game...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lin_xingfang View Post
    chill out,guys...

    like the joker said :
    "Why So Serious?"

    just enjoy the game...
    But I am enjoying the games, while also enjoying this discussion . It's part of the reason I love Badminton Central - it's not often I get the opportunity to voice my opinion, so I make the most of it .

    And luckily cooler gives me that opportunity very often .

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    Quote Originally Posted by phaarix View Post
    The difference between 4-1, and 20-18 is night and day. Those were the examples given, so those were the examples used. Obviously there's no exact line at which point it crosses over, but you can just use common sense and work out for yourself whether a match was close enough to completion to get a fair idea of who was better on the day. Who could possibly know for sure how that HKO 06 match would have turned out if it had gone the full distance?

    And still you're not getting the point - The difference between an official match, and a match which actually contributes to a halfway useful statistic. Yes, Taufik lost the match. Jeeezz I'm not denying that... I'm saying it's not useful to include it statistically IF you're going to use that statistic as basis for an argument (based on comparison).
    speeding analogy was used because that's how insurance company rate the driver's potential risk of 'future' auto collision and damages

    OK, even if i just use the two score examples for statistical debate, my point is EVEN MORE valid:

    (A) A 4-1 score is a 3 point spread, a 20-18 score is a 2 point spread. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 score is a valid lost, the 4-1 score with the larger 3 point spread IS EVEN MORE indicative of a H2H lost

    (B) TH earned 25% of game point (1 out of 4) before walking out. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 is a valid lost, 18 point represent 90% of the game point. Why earning 90% of the game or 18 point is a lost but earning a measly 25% or 1 point is not a lost???

    using pure statistical comparision as u had demanded, it clearly showed that your premise of 4-1 WO by TH as not being a valid data point for H2H comparison doesn't hold any truth. Actually, this statistical comparison supported my position even more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    OK, even if i just use the two score examples for statistical debate, my point is EVEN MORE valid:

    (A) A 4-1 score is a 3 point spread, a 20-18 score is a 2 point spread. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 score is a valid lost, the 4-1 score with the larger 3 point spread IS EVEN MORE indicative of a H2H lost

    (B) TH earned 25% of game point (1 out of 4) before walking out. Since u accepted a WO at 20-18 is a valid lost, 18 point represent 90% of the game point. Why earning 90% of the game or 18 point is a lost but earning a measly 25% or 1 point is not a lost???

    using pure statistical comparision as u had demanded, it clearly showed that your premise of 4-1 WO by TH as not being a valid data point for H2H comparison doesn't hold any truth. Actually, this statistical comparison supported my position even more so.
    Ok then, tell me, in a scientific experiment, what would be more likely? 5 tests, or 38?

    In a test of probability - repeated 5? Or 38 times?

    I think that's all I need to say.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    speeding analogy was used because that's how insurance company rate the driver's potential risk of 'future' auto collision and damages
    The equivalent of which is what? The future risk of Taufik walking out???
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    Quote Originally Posted by phaarix View Post
    Ok then, tell me, in a scientific experiment, what would be more likely? 5 tests, or 38?

    In a test of probability - repeated 5? Or 38 times?

    I think that's all I need to say.



    The equivalent of which is what? The future risk of Taufik walking out???
    1. seem like dont understand probability and odds. Next time, go ask a booky which odd of losing is higher, 1 in 4 or 18 to 20 LOL


    2. equivalent to FUTURE CHANCE OF TH LOSING.


    u should pay me for all these statistic classes i've given u
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    LOL! Go LD, show us you're the real bad boy! LD will win this time.
    LOLOL! LOL rules!!

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