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    Default Congrats on 2009 MAS Win

    While INA's new partnership showed a number of jump smashes getting the 1st game but got tired out very early, KOR duo won the 2nd and rubber sets very easily. The new partnership beat the same country's MK/HS in this Series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phaarix View Post
    How do you explain all the mistakes LYD/JJS, made in the Super Series Finals.. finals? Any top pair/player can have bad games. I think anyone knows that . And Koo/Tan should be number two... because... they beat MK/HS in the Super Series Finals? If you've really been following everything lately you'll know that MK/HS haven't been quite in top form lately.

    The way I see it is that MK/HS and LYD/JJS are the best two pairs in the world. KKK/TBH still have a little bit of proving to do... But hopefully they can get back their old flair.
    Yeah, I think the mistakes by LYD/JJS are also from their lack of strength. They are not perfect either. The strength consists of a variety of factors. The only excuse would be their physical status at that time like injuries. That's my opinion. You can think other way.

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    2009 MAS SS. Thanks to lurker.
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    Quite interesting stats until now.

    They won all the titles of Super Series they had "participated" from 2008 AE SS:
    (The 10 regular SS games considered except the SSF when they were runner-up.)

    2008 All England SS
    2008 Swiss Open
    2008 China Open
    2008 Hong Kong Open
    2009 Malaysia Open

    It just means that whenever they go to Super Series they always win. (Maybe Korea Open has been the hardest venue for the duo.)

    I know MK/HS had won SS titles consecutively after Olympics in 2008 but it's when most top-rankers didn't participate in the games as well as this KOR team.

    Real dominance continues... The only threat is coming up by KKK/TBH. However, the KOR duo seems too brilliant to learn the threat. And some new faces are challenging the dominance but once again if they come to know the style of their opponents they know quickly how to deal with it.
    (This is the reason why they are called "come-back master". They always win the rubber set and it's happening at the final stage of the game.)

    Now everybody knows that you should care for the LYD's net plays as well as JJS's high jump smashes or surprising drops so you should put LYD in the back and force JJS to make errors. But you know... you can't do it as you think. This is the difficulty for the most top-players experiencing when they match against the KOR duo. Until now, they are failing to keep LYD from approaching to the net.

    Anyway, Badminton 2009 will give us another enjoyment of expecting who will break the dominating pressure from the KOR duo.
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    Congrats JJS/LYD for winning yet another SS titles.
    The way they played with less unforced errors throughout the whole match meants its becoming more & more difficult for other pair to defeat them.
    Their superior & mental toughness always lift themselve out of trouble especially during crucial stages.
    However, I did see some "minor" problem in them. If the opponents keep smashing hard, they will defense like robots . A smart opponent should mixed their smash with drop shots more nearer to the front court. In many occasions, JJS need diving hard to retrieve the drop as he almost caught off position..
    I noticed they often face some obstacles when one of their opponents is leftie. That's the same problem happened to Danes veterans -- LP/JR.
    In order to bear them consistently , maybe we need to pair up 2 Leftie top doubles players? xD

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    Default They are definitely..

    ...on the up and up. With focus in their game, i think only injuries will hamper their success or domination.
    They've got a big bull's-eye on their back, for sure.
    What's more interesting is that, LYD plays not only the MD event but also the XD, where he is also as exceptional.
    Talk about "killing 2 birds with 1 stone"...

    *samuel882, what you wrote about the style of play their opponents need to apply (mixing shots) has been brought up by LYD as well (if i remember in another article, right after the SS Masters Final).
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    Quote Originally Posted by narnia View Post
    Quite interesting stats until now.

    They won all the titles of Super Series they had "participated" from 2008 AE SS:
    (The 10 regular SS games considered except the SSF when they were runner-up.)

    2008 All England SS
    2008 Swiss Open
    2008 China Open
    2008 Hong Kong Open
    2009 Malaysia Open

    It just means that whenever they go to Super Series they always win. (Maybe Korea Open has been the hardest venue for the duo.)

    I know MK/HS had won SS titles consecutively after Olympics in 2008 but it's when most top-rankers didn't participate in the games as well as this KOR team.

    Real dominance continues... The only threat is coming up by KKK/TBH. However, the KOR duo seems too brilliant to learn the threat. And some new faces are challenging the dominance but once again if they come to know the style of their opponents they know quickly how to deal with it.
    (This is the reason why they are called "come-back master". They always win the rubber set and it's happening at the final stage of the game.)

    Now everybody knows that you should care for the LYD's net plays as well as JJS's high jump smashes or surprising drops so you should put LYD in the back and force JJS to make errors. But you know... you can't do it as you think. This is the difficulty for the most top-players experiencing when they match against the KOR duo. Until now, they are failing to keep LYD from approaching to the net.

    Anyway, Badminton 2009 will give us another enjoyment of expecting who will break the dominating pressure from the KOR duo.
    u have to take lots of pics of them to post here during korea open..
    is that ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samuel882 View Post
    I noticed they often face some obstacles when one of their opponents is leftie. That's the same problem happened to Danes veterans -- LP/JR.
    In order to bear them consistently , maybe we need to pair up 2 Leftie top doubles players? xD
    Right, I agree. To put it more general, they tend to be stronger against known players. On the contrary, if they meet players they have not played much enough they require some time to learn their opponents' style, that's why they often lose 1st game to the new faces. The leftie strategy would be considered from this point of view so that it makes LYD spend more time to have anticipation of their movement. So, one of the best strategy to win the KOR duo would be winning the first two games not going to the rubber set. They should finish the match as early as possible. That's exactly happened to the danes in Olympics and Koo/Tan in SSF Final.
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    Default ^^I would..^^

    ..tend to think JJS & LYD were feeling that bit of pressure during the Olympics (considering it's their first time playing in such a big stage and against 2 proven veterans, who've been there before). Surprisingly, LYD was able to regain his poise and navigate his way (w/LHJ) all the way to winning the Gold in the XD.
    Their loss vs. KKK & TBH in the recent SS Masters Final, imo, was more likely due to their mental lapse-->unforced errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..tend to think JJS & LYD were feeling that bit of pressure during the Olympics (considering it's their first time playing in such a big stage and against 2 proven veterans, who've been there before). Surprisingly, LYD was able to regain his poise and navigate his way (w/LHJ) all the way to winning the Gold in the XD.
    Their loss vs. KKK & TBH in the recent SS Masters Final, imo, was more likely due to their mental lapse-->unforced errors.
    Maybe they got pressure at that time (SSF) realising that KKK/TBH is in coming trail mode.......

    But they do beat KKK/TBH in the next tourney (MO2009). I think that is what KKK/TBH lack of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by narnia View Post
    I did watch all the games.
    if u watch all the match...mean u are in stadium right???or are there any live stream???

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    Quote Originally Posted by narnia View Post
    Quite interesting stats until now.

    They won all the titles of Super Series they had "participated" from 2008 AE SS:
    (The 10 regular SS games considered except the SSF when they were runner-up.)

    2008 All England SS
    2008 Swiss Open
    2008 China Open
    2008 Hong Kong Open
    2009 Malaysia Open

    It just means that whenever they go to Super Series they always win. (Maybe Korea Open has been the hardest venue for the duo.)

    ........
    Hmmm, if counting just SS titles, LYD/JJS won 4 out of 6 SS they participated in 2008 = 66.67%, the highest % among all MD pairs. If taking into account all tourneys they participated in 2008 (GP upwards) = they won 5 out of 10 (including OG) = 50%, also the highest %. MK/Hendra is a close 2nd = 5 out of 12 = 41.67% (including OG), but of course they already have the WC & coveted OG gold in MD.

    2008 was a very good year for LYD/JJS after the slump in 2007 = winning only 1 out of 14.

    If we count the 2 yr period, 2007 & 2008, MK/Hendra is the most consistent in winning titles = winning 30% of all tourneys they participated, that's why currently they're still WR#1
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    hehe...nice shoot...^^...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah View Post
    Maybe they got pressure at that time (SSF) realising that KKK/TBH is in coming trail mode.......

    But they do beat KKK/TBH in the next tourney (MO2009). I think that is what KKK/TBH lack of...
    ...because KKK & TBH are on a "comeback trail" mode??...what "comeback trail" mode??...

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    If LYD has a better partner, that pair would be awesome. Luckily for other pairs, there is yet to be someone better for LYD in Korea. (The same goes for the his XD pairing.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    if u watch all the match...mean u are in stadium right???or are there any live stream???
    You were saying about the match against the ENG team of SF. I watched all the games of the match by live streaming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Hmmm, if counting just SS titles, LYD/JJS won 4 out of 6 SS they participated in 2008 = 66.67%, the highest % among all MD pairs. If taking into account all tourneys they participated in 2008 (GP upwards) = they won 5 out of 10 (including OG) = 50%, also the highest %. MK/Hendra is a close 2nd = 5 out of 12 = 41.67% (including OG), but of course they already have the WC & coveted OG gold in MD.

    2008 was a very good year for LYD/JJS after the slump in 2007 = winning only 1 out of 14.

    If we count the 2 yr period, 2007 & 2008, MK/Hendra is the most consistent in winning titles = winning 30% of all tourneys they participated, that's why currently they're still WR#1
    Thanks for the stats. One thing to be added: MK/HS lost all the matches including Thomas Cup against JJS/LYD since 2008.

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