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06-16-2009, 02:59 AM #1
[Stats] The Strongest MD Team Currently!
Even though this issue has been long talked in another thread(JJS/LYD), I think this should be an interesting topic to be discussed beyond some specific players' threads.
So, for your information, I collected recent stats for the top 8 players in BWF ranking. Please share your idea about this.
Who do you think the best MD team in the world, among the teams currently playing?
(note: I don't intend to advocate a specific team. The table will be updated as the tourneys finish.)
Last edited by narnia; 06-16-2009 at 03:10 AM.
06-16-2009, 03:09 AM #2
No, we can't really read that the highest ratio shows the strongest players.
What about the number of losses against lower ranked players or early exits in tournaments? That too has to count.
In the end, the World Ranking is still the best measure of the strongest and most consistent players. And we shouldn't bring the draw into the equation, because that is a dynamic variable controlled by no one. Eg. So-and-so player wins because the draw is weak, another stronger player loses because the luck of the draw cannot be used as excuse. A player only wins because he/she is the best of the day, not because of luck.
06-16-2009, 03:14 AM #3
06-16-2009, 03:37 AM #4
06-16-2009, 03:45 AM #5
Another set of tables showing individual pair's stats??..
narnia, may i suggest if you want to provide those stats, is to create a table for each individual pair and list their opponents/all the tourneys they've participated in; you'll then have 10 different tables.
And i do think stats showing the top 10 pairs is pretty justifiable. Afterall, it reflects those pairs who've competed in enough BWF-sanctioned tourneys to be considered as one of the top pairs.
Also, the reason head-to-head stats vs. lower ranked pairs don't really count much is because, simply, the lower ranked pairs just didn't play in enough tourneys or garner enough pts to be on equal terms esp. with those top pairs who'd competed in more tourneys.
Last edited by ctjcad; 06-16-2009 at 03:54 AM.
06-16-2009, 05:08 AM #6
Actually there are so many arguments regarding the strongest MD. In fact, there are no strong and weak among the top 10 pairs in the BWF ranking. They are all strong. It is just a matter that, which pair is mentally and physically better on the particular day, the pair might win the match.
06-16-2009, 01:11 PM #7
06-16-2009, 04:51 PM #8
How can one be called the strongest MD team when it has tendency to crack and withered at the most crucial times? Case in point 1st round OG, final round of SC...heck even with the support of the local linesmen in KO, they still managed to get dominated pretty badly.
06-16-2009, 07:20 PM #9
I don't want to comment more than the two "MAS9" that JJS/LYD defeated KKK/TBH.
06-16-2009, 07:47 PM #10
It is quite useful in a general sense.
Apart from Abedeng's points, does it take into account the 1st round byes?
06-16-2009, 08:25 PM #11
Narnia will create the post just to show that LYD/JJS is the strongest....again....it does not matter if the ratio of winning is 90% if LYD/JJS failed in winning BIG event like WC or OG...it is pretty useless....like KKK/TBH won everytime over MK?HS but lost to them on OG....
To me..LYD/JJS is not even strongest MD at all....still way to go...you can ask Ha Tae Wan
06-16-2009, 08:37 PM #12
How would you treat this scenario? Team A always landing in the finals for 8 SS, but always losing to 8 different oponents. Their winning percentage is 0%
If we want to use data to back-up whoever is the strongest, lets use the world rankings.
06-16-2009, 08:55 PM #13
Each individual has their interpretation of who is the strongest MD pair in the World. And that interpretation changes with time too. During the first half of 2007, Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong and Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun are clearly the best as they sweep almost everything in offer. However, that changed in the second half of 2007 all the way to Jan 2008 where Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan dominated the scene by winning 3 SS titles, the World Championships and 1 GP Gold title in the short space of 6 mths.
From Mar onwards to May, I will agree that Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae dominated the MD as they won the All England, Swiss SS, and Badminton Asia Championships 2009. However, like always, Kido/Hendra were in the limelight once more from August onwards till early November as they won everything in sight and lost only one time to Rian/Yoke; winning 3 SS titles and the Beijing Olympic Golds.
From mid Nov onwards, Jung/Lee were back in business as they won 3 SS in a row till early Jan before Jung was called to army service. Since then, there is clearly no dominant pair as Jung/Lee already lost 3 times this year, while Kido/Hendra also registered the same amount of defeat.
06-16-2009, 08:59 PM #14
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06-16-2009, 10:47 PM #17
I don't think Cai Yun's age will allow them to compete in 2 tourneys in a row and won them both. So, it's good that they have been very selective in their tournament selection.
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