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    Well... i guess the players are pretty much the same in the BAM squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    the decision will be made later today
    let's wait and see
    They are included in the Sudirman Cup's list. BAM still give them chance although their performance lately are still, in my opinion, not good to be listed in the Sudirman Cup's player listing.

    Back to the old story, BAM still need them as our juniors are not up to their level.

    To said dropping them from the 1st team is only bullshxt, i consider. Unless there's some other mas ms player capable to do better than them.

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    Arrow Won't be surprised if HH and KBH are included in MAS Sudirman Cup squad

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    Has the MAS squad for the Sudirman Cup being released yet?

    It won't be a surprise if HH and KBH are included. They are still better than the MAS juniors at the recent 2 tournaments. MAS juniors have performed poorly. In a way, the juniors are helping HH and KBH to stay on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Has the MAS squad for the Sudirman Cup being released yet?

    It won't be a surprise if HH and KBH are included. They are still better than the MAS juniors at the recent 2 tournaments. MAS juniors have performed poorly. In a way, the juniors are helping HH and KBH to stay on.
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    Saturday April 11, 2009

    Badminton: Hafiz, Beng Hong unlikely to lose their places in national team

    By RAJES PAUL

    KUALA LUMPUR: The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) are not saying it yet but singles players Mohd Hafiz Hashim and Kuan Beng Hong are set to keep their places in the national team.
    After all the hoopla over the future of these two players, the BAM have named the duo as reserves for the Sudirman Cup, which will be held in Guangzhou from May 10-17.
    Early this year, former All-England champion Hafiz and Beng Hong were issued an ultimatum by the BAM — to either shape up or ship out.
    A decision on whether to retain them in the national team was to have been made after the Indian Open and the on-going Asian Badminton Championships (ABC) in Suwon, South Korea.
    Hafiz put up a creditable show in the Indian Open, defeating world junior champion Chen Long en route to the final, where he went down fighting to Indonesia’s Taufik Hidayat.
    But at the ABC, Hafiz fell to Chen Long in the second round, proving that his game is still plagued by inconsistency.
    Beng Hong, meanwhile, went down fighting to Taufik in the quarter-finals of the Indian Open and China’s Bao Chunlai in the third round of the ABC.
    The inclusion of the duo for the Sudirman Cup shows that BAM still have faith in them.
    BAM president Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, however, said they would decide on Hafiz and Beng Hong’s fate after getting a report from coach Datuk Misbun Sidek next week.
    “Yes, we have named them for the Sudirman Cup but only as reserves. We can name as many players as we want for this world mixed team event,” Nadzmi said after chairing the coaching and training committee meeting at Stadium Juara in Bukit Kiara yesterday.
    “But we still have the right to drop the reserves just before the team leave for China. It will all depend on the report from Misbun.
    “Hafiz and Beng Hong are still world class players. We cannot simply drop them. We must have very good reasons to do so. Both still have a few good years ahead of them. The can still improve.
    “Let’s wait for a complete report from the coach. He (Misbun) will also take into account the players’ commitment in training and their fitness.”
    The BAM will probably have to depend on Hafiz and Beng Hong again because the performances of the second echelon of shuttlers have not been very encouraging.
    In the recent ABC, all top four elite back-up shuttlers — Liew Daren, Tan Chun Seang, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif and Chong Wei Feng — crashed out in the early rounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
    .It won't be a surprise if HH and KBH are included. They are still better than the MAS juniors at the recent 2 tournaments. MAS juniors have performed poorly. In a way, the juniors are helping HH and KBH to stay on.
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    try to think it reversely,
    1st,remember the tc 2008 mas 4th ms issue?who get selected?are he better than tcs/cwf/ldr tat time?
    2nd,if u wont able to get it even u do better,why should u perform?

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    HH/KBH will be in our TC squad nex year.

    Actually, NSC & BAM dont need to crack their heads figuring out why till today Malaysia have yet to win the OG gold & the WC while success at the AE & TC have been few and very very very far in between especially when we consider Malaysia as a badminton playing nation. They just need to look at HH/KBH and even our under performing juniors/back up shuttlers. The answer is right there.

    As long as we persist with the subsidy mentality coupled with the famous self satisfying Malaysia Boleh mindset, we will always be a nation of under achievers. We will never be able to compete with the best i.e. China, Indonesia, S Korea etc etc when we continue to live with substandard shuttlers & etc.

    Anyway, its great to hear HH/KBH staying in the national team. Lets continue to nurture and molly cuddle them.

    Malaysia Boleh!

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    It's nothing so great to know players that we could foresee losing being included in our team... this "inconsistency" issue has been with BAM's players way too long... it's now nearing half of 2009 and I couldn't see good prospect come TC/UBER 2010 should the MS players and others maintain their pace and continue being a one night wonder. BAM should not have kept players who don't commit, and come up with solutions on the inconsistency nightmare or else we can say bye bye to all the titles when LCW, KKK/TBH etc. retire...

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    Arrow It will not be solely dependent on results from tournaments

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    Thank you for the article, drifit.

    As previously posted, coach Datuk Misbun Sidek has the BIGGEST say in the decision making.

    And as BAM president, Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, has mentioned; Misbun will take into account the players' commitment in training and their fitness. Therefore, it will not be solely dependent on results from tournaments.

    Even if the top 4 MS MAS elite back-up shuttlers, Liew Daren, Tan Chun Seang, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif and Chong Wei Feng, are found to be just as committed and as fit as HH and KBH, these 4 elite back-ups probably won't be selected. Their crashing out in early rounds in recent tournament shows that they are not ready yet.
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    Thumbs up limsy ... Be brave, and tell us what you think

    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post

    try to think it reversely,
    1st,remember the tc 2008 mas 4th ms issue?who get selected?was he better than tcs/cwf/ldr tat time?
    2nd,if u wont able to get it even u do better,why should u perform?

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    limsy ... Please don't post riddles for us to solve.
    Sorry, I am not quite sure what you mean. Please explain.

    Be brave, and tell us what you think.
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    Arrow We need to accept reality that they are simply not good enough

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Even if the top 4 MS MAS elite back-up shuttlers, Liew Daren, Tan Chun Seang, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif and Chong Wei Feng, are found to be just as committed and as fit as HH and KBH, these 4 elite back-ups probably won't be selected. Their crashing out in early rounds in recent tournament shows that they are not ready yet.
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    In the on-going ABC, China's 2nd tier shuttlers, Chen Long & co are all progressing nicely while our Liew Daren, TCS, CWF & co have all been bundled out in the early rounds.

    To say that they are not ready yet is an understatement. Our Liew Daren & co are no longer teenagers with acne problems and if they are struggling we need to stop molly cuddling and be honest to ourselves and admit that this bunch of shuttlers wont make it against the Chen Longs out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    limsy ... Please don't post riddles for us to solve.
    Sorry, I am not quite sure what you mean. Please explain.

    Be brave, and tell us what you think.
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    just answer my question,is tat too hard for u?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    limsy ... Please don't post riddles for us to solve.
    Sorry, I am not quite sure what you mean. Please explain.

    Be brave, and tell us what you think.
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    Chris, some of it is sensitive issue, but should be easy to figure out. If still problem, please refer TC 2008 threads.

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    Unhappy Sensitive issue???

    I find Malaysian badminton funny especially certain things are considered 'sensitive'.

    For god's sake, this is badminton we are talking about! What is so sensitive about badminton??

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    Congratulations to both KBH and Hafiz for still in the 1st squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post
    Saturday April 11, 2009

    Badminton: Hafiz, Beng Hong unlikely to lose their places in national team

    By RAJES PAUL

    KUALA LUMPUR: The Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) are not saying it yet but singles players Mohd Hafiz Hashim and Kuan Beng Hong are set to keep their places in the national team.
    After all the hoopla over the future of these two players, the BAM have named the duo as reserves for the Sudirman Cup, which will be held in Guangzhou from May 10-17.
    Early this year, former All-England champion Hafiz and Beng Hong were issued an ultimatum by the BAM — to either shape up or ship out.
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    ..i'm thinking it's probably not a bad idea for BAM to give both of them another set of "warning" for their upcoming tourneys..I would think this is probably the best approach for BAM to "fire" up both HH & KBH to perform better..
    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Even if the top 4 MS MAS elite back-up shuttlers, Liew Daren, Tan Chun Seang, Mohd Arif Abdul Latif and Chong Wei Feng, are found to be just as committed and as fit as HH and KBH, these 4 elite back-ups probably won't be selected. Their crashing out in early rounds in recent tournament shows that they are not ready yet.
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    ...i wouldn't be surprised if the 4 elite M'sian back-ups' performance remain relatively the same for the next 2-3 yrs and BAM will still keep them..
    Heck, it wouldn't be a bad idea, maybe one way to really "lit a fire under them" is to give a similar type warning like BAM did to HH & KBH..
    Quote Originally Posted by eRa@에라 View Post
    It's nothing so great to know players that we could foresee losing being included in our team... this "inconsistency" issue has been with BAM's players way too long... it's now nearing half of 2009 and I couldn't see good prospect come TC/UBER 2010 should the MS players and others maintain their pace and continue being a one night wonder. BAM should not have kept players who don't commit, and come up with solutions on the inconsistency nightmare or else we can say bye bye to all the titles when LCW, KKK/TBH etc. retire...
    ..you're seeing the light..
    Quote Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah View Post
    Congratulations to both KBH and Hafiz for still in the 1st squad.
    ..that sounds almost equal to a complement of them winning a title..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ...i wouldn't be surprised if the 4 elite M'sian back-ups' performance remain relatively the same for the next 2-3 yrs and BAM will still keep them..
    Heck, maybe one way to really "lit a fire under them" is to give a similar type warning like BAM did to HH & KBH..
    how many years bam keep ykb?
    how many years bam keep kbh?

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    Default ^^I think..^^

    1. BAM should just keep giving "warnings" to all their shuttlers, sans Dato LCW, prior to any tourneys..Look at what HH & KBH accomplished after being given a "warning"..
    2. And if they keep being inconsistent even after being given the "warnings", BAM should just keep them in the national squad until their legs fall-off..

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