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    yep, i also thinks that KBH can bounce back....
    as for HH, no need to say already. no comment here too

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    Default Hmmmm...

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    IHMO, the BAM president, Datuk Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, was concerned over the quality in the MAS Mens Singles department. I think it is meant to check on HH and KBH, in the quality of their work when they are at their training, in their fitness, etc.. I don't think it is meant to be based purely on their tournament results/achievements.
    As Nadzmi said...
    What is the point of keeping a player, even as a sparring partner in the team, if he is not fit? Players who are not committed do not deserve to be in the national team”.
    ....
    ..hmmmmm, this is an interesting approach of "just simply checking the quality of the players' work during their training, in their fitness, etc.??..
    Well, if it's not meant to be based purely on their tournament results/achievements, then what is??..Aren't the results/achievements, indirectly, the results of their training, fitness etc. (or lack of)??..

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    Lightbulb Misbun Sidek is the one to make the final decision by the end of April, 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post

    ..hmmmmm, this is an interesting approach of "just simply checking the quality of the players' work during their training, in their fitness, etc.??..
    Well, if it's not meant to be based purely on their tournament results/achievements, then what is??..Aren't the results/achievements, indirectly, the results of their training, fitness etc. (or lack of)??..

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    Question: Aren't the results/achievements, indirectly, the results of their training, fitness etc. (or lack of)?

    Answer: Don't think so.

    According to your comments in Post#11;
    If Final appearance, in how many of those tourneys?
    If Semifinal appearance, in how many of those tourneys?
    If QF appearance, in how many of those tourneys?
    What is a "satisfactory" accomplishment?


    IMHO, a "satisfactory" accomplishment can still be achieved even if players are not making it into the Finals, Semifinals, QF's, etc... Actually, coaches, managers, teammates, fans, etc... can all tell if players have been trying or not.

    Anyway, the pressure will be on Misbun Sidek, because he is the one to make the final decision by the end of April, 2009.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ants View Post
    Give him another 6 months.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball View Post
    I predict HH will turn to coaching come May. KBH will continue but don't think he will come good unless he gets fit - give him another year to resign if he doesn't get fit.
    why u all will say he not fit???...misbun say...kbh is the fittest after lcw...

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    Default So...

    these are the last 10 tourney results of HH & KBH:

    HH (got into QF round or higher in only 2 out 10 tourneys):

    18 Jan 2009 Korea Super Series 2009 1/32
    11 Jan 2009 Malaysia Super Series 2009 1/16
    02 Nov 2008 French Super Series 2008 1/16
    26 Oct 2008 Denmark Super Series 2008 Quarter-Finalist
    28 Sep 2008 LI NING China Masters Super Series 2008 1/32
    29 Jun 2008 Thailand Open Grand Prix Gold 1/16
    22 Jun 2008 Indonesia Super Series 2008 1/32
    18 May 2008 Thomas & Uber Cup Finals 2008 -
    20 Apr 2008 Badminton Asia Championships 2008 Quarter-Finalist
    09 Mar 2008 YONEX All England Super Series 2008 1/32

    KBH (got into QF round or higher in 4 out of 10 tourneys; 2 of which only lasted him til the Qualifying Rd.):

    18 Jan 2009 Korea Super Series 2009 1/32
    11 Jan 2009 Malaysia Super Series 2009 1/16
    23 Nov 2008 Malaysia International Challenge Winner
    05 Oct 2008 Macau Open Badminton Championships 2008 Semi-Finalist
    29 Jun 2008 Thailand Open Grand Prix Gold 1/64
    15 Jun 2008 Singapore Super Series 2008 Quarter-Finalist
    06 Apr 2008 Finnish International Championships Semi-Finalist
    30 Mar 2008 Polish International Open Championships 1/16
    27 Jan 2008 YONEX Korea Super Series 2008 Qualifier
    20 Jan 2008 Proton Malaysia Open Super Series 2008 Qualifier
    02 Dec 2007 YONEX-SUNRISE HONG KONG SUPER SERIES 2007 1/32

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    IMHO, a "satisfactory" accomplishment can still be achieved even if players are not making it into the Finals, Semifinals, QF's, etc... Actually, coaches, managers, teammates, fans, etc... can all tell if players have been trying or not.
    ...
    ..so i take it, Misbun will be explaining something like this to BAM, should both of them continue on the same path of inconsistently failing to reach at least a QF round:
    "Yes, i understand both HH & KBH haven't done well in the tourneys they've attended. But be sure & confident that i've watched them, with my own eyes, trained really hard during sparring and training sessions and i can tell they've been really trying or not. Thus their efforts in the training sessions should cancel out their inconsistent results in tournaments. Please spare them another few months".

    Btw, how long have they been playing for the National squad??..

    You are so generous, chris@ccc.
    Last edited by ctjcad; 02-02-2009 at 04:30 PM.

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    Who's MAS 2nd MS right now behind LCW? Is there a clear consensus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by badadum View Post
    Who's MAS 2nd MS right now behind LCW? Is there a clear consensus?
    u mean in term of what?...rank?ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    u mean in term of what?...rank?ability?
    Even if we considered on both, i'm afraid we got no one to be even close to Chong Wei's level,up to this moment.

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    Based on how the other tired, old, lame horses are now playing, Koo Kien Keat would probably make a better second MS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Based on how the other tired, old, lame horses are now playing, Koo Kien Keat would probably make a better second MS
    u do know i'll give my aye for that,oldhand.
    However,that'll give some people another reason to criticize when he's not performing.
    So,let's give this guy a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    why u all will say he not fit???...misbun say...kbh is the fittest after lcw...
    KBH looks fit but is he really that fit ? He seldom wins when he goes 3 sets.

    It is like HH. He looks like he is fit but you can tell he is not by the way he gives up, often playing trick shots (a sign of a tired HH).

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball View Post
    KBH looks fit but is he really that fit ? He seldom wins when he goes 3 sets.
    he looks fit...and really fit...under misbun...u hard to be unfit......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Based on how the other tired, old, lame horses are now playing, Koo Kien Keat would probably make a better second MS
    My village champion, Pak Busu bin Mat Lop would probably also make a better 2nd MS.

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    Question Can we tell how Misbun is going to decide?

    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post

    ..so i take it, Misbun will be explaining something like this to BAM, should both of them continue on the same path of inconsistently failing to reach at least a QF round:
    "Yes, i understand both HH & KBH haven't done well in the tourneys they've attended. But be sure & confident that i've watched them, with my own eyes, trained really hard during sparring and training sessions and i can tell they've been really trying or not. Thus their efforts in the training sessions should cancel out their inconsistent results in tournaments. Please spare them another few months".

    You are so generous, chris@ccc.

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    Don't think that Misbun will be generous. He will be comparing HH and KBH with the others, for example;
    Chong Wei Feng
    Mohd Arif Abdul Latif
    Liew Daren
    etc......

    If these others are hungrier and can beat HH and KBH, then we can tell how Misbun is going to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Don't think that Misbun will be generous. He will be comparing HH and KBH with the others, for example;
    Chong Wei Feng
    Mohd Arif Abdul Latif
    Liew Daren
    etc......

    If these others are hungrier and can beat HH and KBH, then we can tell how Misbun is going to decide.
    .

    liew daren beat kuan beng hong and chan kwong beng beat hafiz in national grand prix final 08...

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    liew daren beat kuan beng hong and chan kwong beng beat hafiz in national grand prix final 08...
    Would be easier to decide then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    Would be easier to decide then.
    for kbh...his leg is injured during tat match...so...

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