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    in dollar and cents bam & bjss players are lucky

    transport to and fro from training is already too much for some parents


    in quality and exposure, again bam & bjss are lucky

    they get to send to more tournaments depending on their abilities and performances and training are in full mode


    in discipline and freedom all are more or less the same

    in sneaking out and in their homes/hostel to accomplish their mission is as easy as going tuition

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    in dollar and cents bam & bjss players are lucky

    transport to and fro from training is already too much for some parents


    in quality and exposure, again bam & bjss are lucky

    they get to send to more tournaments depending on their abilities and performances and training are in full mode


    in discipline and freedom all are more or less the same

    in sneaking out and in their homes/hostel to accomplish their mission is as easy as going tuition
    pBm,

    May I ask how come DLCW looks so much more fitter and physicaly stronger (got muscle solid solid) than most of the other BAM players ?

    Is it DLCW got better DNA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jug8man View Post
    pBm,

    May I ask how come DLCW looks so much more fitter and physicaly stronger (got muscle solid solid) than most of the other BAM players ?

    Is it DLCW got better DNA?
    from my understanding from earlier post, most are earning RM 500 per month..
    no money to buy good food...meaning lack of nutritious....meaning lack of muscle...then tak boleh lor...
    tak boleh mean cannot win tournament.....so no price money...back to the same cycle again
    DLCW won many price $$, so he can eat well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielwong View Post
    from my understanding from earlier post, most are earning RM 500 per month..
    no money to buy good food...meaning lack of nutritious....meaning lack of muscle...then tak boleh lor...
    tak boleh mean cannot win tournament.....so no price money...back to the same cycle again
    DLCW won many price $$, so he can eat well....
    Yes, but the question is which came 1st? The Chicken or the Egg?

    Ppl priority should be #1 Necessity 1st, #2 Dreams later.

    If they are already receiving some sort of 'scholarship', they (& their parents) should meet the association half way and invest in themselves.
    these players if not talented enough and not financially strong enough should not be busy chasing stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jug8man View Post
    pBm,

    May I ask how come DLCW looks so much more fitter and physicaly stronger (got muscle solid solid) than most of the other BAM players ?

    Is it DLCW got better DNA?
    there are several reasons for that

    body type/composition, training focus, nutrition and life style

    lcw wasn't that muscular before, remember?

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    if there are still complaint of current setup in bam and bjss maybe one should do some reading

    of the past champions like hou chia chang, lim swie king, misbun sidek, rudy hartono to name a few

    try find out their living condition, their training facility ......

    and you all tell me can we do it for rm500 - 800 a month provided parents subsidize rm300

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    Yes, I remember last time he was much skinnier. Now still slim but tougher and more power in footwork too

    I wonder what the rest are Not Doing the same? and Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    there are several reasons for that

    body type/composition, training focus, nutrition and life style

    lcw wasn't that muscular before, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    if there are still complaint of current setup in bam and bjss maybe one should do some reading

    of the past champions like hou chia chang, lim swie king, misbun sidek, rudy hartono to name a few

    try find out their living condition, their training facility ......

    and you all tell me can we do it for rm500 - 800 a month provided parents subsidize rm300
    based on current condition, don't think so..
    inflation, last time RM 1 can do wonders...now RM 100 also not enough
    talk about RM 1k per month?
    furthermore the distractions nowadays are greater...don't you think so????

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    Quote Originally Posted by jug8man View Post
    Yes, I remember last time he was much skinnier. Now still slim but tougher and more power in footwork too

    I wonder what the rest are Not Doing the same? and Why?
    told you, chicken and egg story...
    how to boleh?...blame it on the system...

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielwong View Post
    based on current condition, don't think so..
    inflation, last time RM 1 can do wonders...now RM 100 also not enough
    talk about RM 1k per month?
    furthermore the distractions nowadays are greater...don't you think so????
    if there is a will there is a way

    the job is only training to play competition

    and its not going to be forever the same if one works hard works smart

    payday will come. in indonesia it could be worse

    influence, distraction, yes there are tons of them and also the wrong-wishers

    those that gives the wrong infor, though some comes from, very sad to say, the parents

    work with your coaches, trainers and the expert available

    respect them and learn from them
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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    if there is a will there is a way

    the job is only training to play competition

    and its not going to be forever the same if one works hard works smart

    payday will come. in indonesia it could be worse

    influence, distraction, yes there are tons of them and also the wrong-wishers

    those that gives the wrong infor, though some comes from, very sad to say, the parents
    if what i heard is right, beside training or play..
    some still study or engage in part-time job.....
    is bread and butter issue now...cannot play well coz cannot even feed the mouth...
    not to mention about support family...

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    True facts coming from a person who is in the business that the rest of us are only armchair critic.

    If anyone is a close friend to these players, I suggest instead of 'agreeing' with the complaints and talking about 'how to boleh', Please try to give motivation or lecture. Cruel to be kind, but only a champion can survive harsh environment to improve.

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    if there is a will there is a way

    the job is only training to play competition

    and its not going to be forever the same if one works hard works smart

    payday will come. in indonesia it could be worse

    influence, distraction, yes there are tons of them and also the wrong-wishers

    those that gives the wrong infor, though some comes from, very sad to say, the parents

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielwong View Post
    if what i heard is right, beside training or play..
    some still study or engage in part-time job.....
    is bread and butter issue now...cannot play well coz cannot even feed the mouth...
    not to mention about support family...
    if that is the case it is very simple

    consult your coach and approach the management

    have them listen to your problem

    and i am sure they would understand and sort for an answer

    its their job to see all players living condition are there

    as for part-time job if that permission is given i don't see why not

    and i also don't see why not the management would not allow that

    to help them make ends meet

    i think ng chin chai is a good person to approach and

    personally i think he will look into this kind of matter, i can even bet

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    Quote Originally Posted by jug8man View Post
    True facts coming from a person who is in the business that the rest of us are only armchair critic.

    If anyone is a close friend to these players, I suggest instead of 'agreeing' with the complaints and talking about 'how to boleh', Please try to give motivation or lecture. Cruel to be kind, but only a champion can survive harsh environment to improve.
    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    if that is the case it is very simple

    consult your coach and approach the management

    have them listen to your problem

    and i am sure they would understand and sort for an answer

    its their job to see all players living condition are there

    as for part-time job if that permission is given i don't see why not

    and i also don't see why not the management would not allow that

    to help them make ends meet

    i think ng chin chai is a good person to approach and

    personally i think he will look into this kind of matter, i can even bet

    from the above view, maybe we have a conclusion...
    maybe we can see some ray of light at the end of the tunnel soon???

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    certainly hope so, daniel

    and jug8man has also make a good suggestion to those close to the players

    ''Cruel to be kind, but only a champion can survive harsh environment to improve.''


    if this is happening, everyone knows their role and responsibility and know where to draw the line

    yes, we can make improvement and then results will be there

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    Question Can we see some ray of light at the end of the tunnel soon?

    Quote Originally Posted by danielwong View Post
    from the above view, maybe we have a conclusion...
    maybe we can see some ray of light at the end of the tunnel soon???
    .
    IMHO, there is no simple answer when there is a shortage of money required to build up the Badminton level/standard for Malaysia.

    After reading many of the above posts, we can say that none of the comments made so far are untrue and/or unfair (to both BAM and players/trainees).

    Let us put our discussion in this manner;

    BAM is saying this to our players:
    We have set up a Sports School to help to raise the standard of Badminton for Malaysia. For talented players wishing to represent Malaysia in the future, we shall offer you free training programs. We will even pay some allowances to you, since you have to leave home (from your various states) to come to participate with us.

    Players are saying this to BAM:
    We wish to participate in your Sports School and we hope to represent Malaysia one day. But to train in your school, we have to miss going to universities to continue with our academic education. Even if we do not wish to go on to universities, we can move into the work-force to earn some money. We feel that when we participate in your program, we are working for you to raise the Badminton standard for Malaysia. Please treat us as BAM workers and pay us a proper standard wage like what a fair company would pay to its employees.
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    I can not fully agree with the 'players saying to BAM' part:-

    From another post in BC:

    my fav story from 'up in the air'
    Ryan Bingham: You know why kids love athletes?
    Bob: Because they screw lingerie models.
    Ryan Bingham: No, that's why we love athletes. Kids love them because they follow their dreams.

    Ppl who chase their dreams are not working. A working person is subject to 'constant severe performance reviews' like sales ppl.

    Coaches are workers. Trainers are workers. Sparring partners are workers. They are there to provide a service for others and not for 'direct personal gain' besides the salary.

    Badminton Players (in BAM) are the recepient of these 'services rendered' in the form of the player's development (hopefully not regression) in pursuit ultimately of their personal dreams.
    The Few exceptions are when players are requested to play representing the country in inter country tournaments such as TC, Sudirman Cup, Sea Games, Olympic, Asia Games and etc.
    Last edited by jug8man; 07-09-2010 at 04:09 AM.

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