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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    this question is which came first.
    People accepted nylon strings because it allowed high tension (+25 lbs) which gut could not provide +25 lbs tension with reasonable duration. IF the gut string could give +25 lbs tension with reasonable durability, i am very sure its performance would exceed the performance of bg66 or ngy98 at similar high tension. IE, it was the durability factor of synthetic strings at high tension that boosted its performance or i mean, make up for the lack of performance. IF u compare 'performance only factor' of gut vs nylon strings at the same tension and disregard durability factor, gut outperform nylon strings. Yet, it is durability (ie pricing value) that made people switched to nylon strings.
    It is simply an irrellevant comparison if natural-gut strings performs better at 20lbs than bg80 at 20lbs.. The relevant comparison is what is the performance given the strings are strung at their maximal tension than can be used in practice in competitions..

    This would be kind of like to compare which racket graphite-shaft would produce the "fastest" drop shot

    I am pretty sure some pros would use natural gut if the performance was superior, as they can easilyy have 5 rackets restrung and ready for each match..

    You yourself has on other occasions (discussing F1 etc) correctly pointed out that at high-end, durability is not the prime factor...

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    Never really used plastic shuttles much before, so I guess I won't be able to make any very useful comparisons.
    Anyway, my club just bought a whole load of Mavis 2000s to see if they're really *that* bad.

    IMO, they really are.
    Hits don't sound or feel "crisp" - you just get kind of a dull thud.
    They're also far too slow - "medium" speed M2000s are much slower than even 77 speed feathers (78 usually being the appropriate speed for where we play).
    We all noticed our clears taking more effort, smashes being slower, and low serves often falling short. You don't get the same feel on netshots either.

    I'd take even the cheapest feathers ahead of these - eg. We use some <9 Kason feathers at another place I play.

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    Hope oneday plastic shuttle will be able to replace feather because SHUTTLE is starting to get real expensive in MSIA...

    average about RM55 a tube...

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    So what's the latest on this score??

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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalguy View Post
    So what's the latest on this score??
    It's probably the best plastic shuttle on the market currently. Closest to good feather in terms of trajectory. Although not as dull feeling as previous generation but still not as crisp as feathers. I would put it as 3 parts Mavis 300 and 1 part good feather. If yonex can somehow improve the feel then perhaps we can get closer to feather.

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    Thanks, visor, for the update.

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    The thing I really hate about plastic shuttles above everything is the feeling upon impact with the racket, it just feels really bad, if they could replicate the feel of a feather shuttle, then I reckon more people would use them for training. Where possible I always use feathers.

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    Can anybody compare the speed of these things to the equivalent M300? We use mediums. Also, have the M2000 appeared in yellow in UK yet? Our club is going to give them a try pretty soon, we think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A View Post
    Can anybody compare the speed of these things to the equivalent M300? We use mediums. Also, have the M2000 appeared in yellow in UK yet? Our club is going to give them a try pretty soon, we think.
    M2000 are a little bit like feather in speed such that it'll come off the strings fast but decelerate quickly. So a lot of those clears with M300 that would go out will fall in with the M2000. Comparing medium to medium speeds of course. Drops are similarly steeper trajectory with M2000 compared to M300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A View Post
    Also, have the M2000 appeared in yellow in UK yet?
    I spent hours looking for yellow ones to buy online, but didn't find any. So I answer would be no, afaik.

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    My M2000 heads broke very quickly. First they start turning and then they just come off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by logicalguy View Post
    I spent hours looking for yellow ones to buy online, but didn't find any. So I answer would be no, afaik.
    Supposedly the white ones have been discontinued by YY as they don't last as long as the yellows, so I'm told by the store owner.

    Quote Originally Posted by Destricto_Ense View Post
    My M2000 heads broke very quickly. First they start turning and then they just come off.
    Yikes, you guys must be really hitting them hard to decapitate them so quickly.

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    We tried some of these last week, and I was pleasantly surprised by them. The flight characteristics are definitely more feather-like - a number of smashes that came at me rocketed off the other guys' rackets but slowed down enough for me to do something constructive with them. The brakes coming on was very noticeable.

    The mediums play slightly faster than the equivalent M300 to begin with, but they slow down gradually as they're hit and end up roughly commensurate. Durability is very good indeed - we smacked one around for a good two hours and there was still no "ellipticity" of the skirt - I think the new lift ring helps bolster things up. The only fly in the ointment was that the pointy feather "tips" tend to break off, and this led to one very amusing smash where the skirt got tangled - the shuttle made a 45 degree upward turn in mid-air and ended up flying a good three feet out the back.

    In short, a significant improvement over the 300 in every possible way IMHO.

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    might be an improvement, but still lack the feel of a feather shuttle, if they could incorporate "feel" into the shuttle, then they might be onto a better shuttle.

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    ^^Anything with better feel would have to be made with a harder plastic which unfortunately will be more brittle and break easily. Thus making it not much more economical than feathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark A View Post
    In short, a significant improvement over the 300 in every possible way IMHO.
    I started playing badminton with the M300 and didn't know any better for a long time. Bought them locally at the rec center of Texas A&M University. On this forum I learned of the M2000 and ordered them from here http://www.badmintonwarehouse.com/Yo...cocks_s/35.htm for only USD $11 per can. That's only $2 more than a can of 300's.

    In my opinion, the M2000 is so much better than the M300 that I would pay double for them over 300's. So a mere $2 more per can for M2000's is a great value. It will be a great day when we see an advance on the M2000 plastic shuttles as big as the M2000 was over the M300.

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    If we play with plastic instead of feathers is purely in terms of durability of the birdie (hence the cost overall). The M2000 I concur (and everyone who tried it with me) is great in terms of flight etc but the plastic 'feathers' get deformed too fast and the flight is compromised. It also breaks more quickly than the M500G we usually use making it doubly not interesting. I still have 3-4 tubes at home which I must use in fact. There is no point keeping it. It is not currently available here and had to be imported.

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