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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    so i tried out the mavis 2000 tonight. (thx illusionistpro!)

    while the initial feel is better than previous mavis, the feel and flight character is still not close to feather.

    firstly, the impact feeling is too soft and damped. it not snappy like a feather. it feels more like a rubber ball. it is also feels a bit heavier than feather, probably mostly because it is softer and deforms more at impact when compare to feather.

    secondly, the flight, while there is a slight improvement, the lack of rigidity of the skirt still do not allow the shuttle to slow down. when hit hard, it just collapses and then fly off like a bullet. the recovery time of the skirt seems better now so it decelerate more rapidly when compared to previous mavis, it is still not any where close to feather. and we weren't really hitting very hard either. if a real hard smasher hit it, i believe there won't be enough time for it to recover and it will just fly like a bullet.

    we think that it will be OK if one is not a hard hitter (ie. beginner or low intermediate), and want some extra durability. otherwise, it is back to the drawing board.
    i havent tried it yet but my guess even before all this testing is that it is still the same old mavis, just some minor tweaking of the skirt design, still nylon after all u know

    To improve the mavis, yonex has to do some major modification, like newer stiffer plastic or carbon fiber impregnation. Reshaping the same old skirt does very little. My belief is that mavis 2000 will be slightly less durable than mavis 300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    so i tried out the mavis 2000 tonight. (thx illusionistpro!)

    while the initial feel is better than previous mavis, the feel and flight character is still not close to feather.

    firstly, the impact feeling is too soft and damped. it not snappy like a feather. it feels more like a rubber ball. it is also feels a bit heavier than feather, probably mostly because it is softer and deforms more at impact when compare to feather.

    secondly, the flight, while there is a slight improvement, the lack of rigidity of the skirt still do not allow the shuttle to slow down. when hit hard, it just collapses and then fly off like a bullet. the recovery time of the skirt seems better now so it decelerate more rapidly when compared to previous mavis, it is still not any where close to feather. and we weren't really hitting very hard either. if a real hard smasher hit it, i believe there won't be enough time for it to recover and it will just fly like a bullet.

    we think that it will be OK if one is not a hard hitter (ie. beginner or low intermediate), and want some extra durability. otherwise, it is back to the drawing board.
    No problem Kwun, and good game tonite. Singles next week!

    I think Kwuns analysis is spot on. There is a crispness you feel when you strike a feather shuttle, and theres a dull rubbery feeling when you strike a plastic. Flight path and trajectory were close 85-90%, but initial speed off the racket seems fast, and the skirt slows it down afterwards. I doubt ill be doing more "testing" these are probably going to be for hard smash practice, where feathers will get shredded fast, or if i come across new players who's technique isnt worth a feather shuttle.

    The real issue with plastics is the rigidity of the skirt. A good synthetic will really replicate a feather shuttle, but I think the difficulty will be in finding a good material for the vanes. If you choose something soft, you'll get a product like what we have. If you choose something more firm, you will produce a shuttle that is "synthetic" however it will be brittle and break just like a feather, thus defeating purpose of the syntheticness. catch 22 indeed. I think the purpose and goals of produceing a synthetic needs to be address to either a high quality renewable low cost shuttle, (which is asking a lot) or a durable shuttle, which is what we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    My belief is that mavis 2000 will be slightly less durable than mavis 300.
    You mean like the mavis 350/370?

    500 was great but in very short supply.

    Pick some up Cooler, and bat it around... let us know what you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    To improve the mavis, yonex has to do some major modification, like newer stiffer plastic or carbon fiber impregnation.


    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    Reshaping the same old skirt does very little.
    Hmm...
    I think you get the above quoted affect.

    I firmly believe that with all the advances, and current available technology, and material they should be able to produce a nylon shuttle that play exactly like a high quality feather shuttle.

    Its just the economics of doing that, which is stopping manufacturers from doing so.

    Ah well, at least it is as close to feather as you can get.

    Thanks everyone for your testing & input... I had been curious how they perform.

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    anybody knows where can i get a tube of the M2000 in US new england. thanks

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    Some of the posters here do have supplies.

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    pm me please if you have those FS thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanansi View Post
    anybody knows where can i get a tube of the M2000 in US new england. thanks
    most of the US mail order places have them in stock already.

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    I got mine from shuttle-house a few weeks ago. I think they're better than other plastics that I've used, but I'd agree that they're still nowhere near as nice as feathers. The sound and the feel aren't as nice.. they definitely decelerate faster than other plastics I've used though.

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    Does this shuttle really offer enough improvement over the past iterations, such as the 350 and 500 to make it more viable? I question the use of plastic in producing synthetic shuttles. It seems like there would be some better material. At least the cork's real?...unlike the synthetic ones of HL shuttles that have screws in them... >.>

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    abit off topic but can i check how much is Singapore selling Mavis 2000?

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    Our school/club is returning next week after the schoolkids' Easter holiday (two weeks of rust to shake off) and I'd like to fetch some 2000's to try out, as we're close to the end of our supply of 300's - anybody in the UK who can chuck me a tube or two? Please PM if so.
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    Hey guys, any of you know if Mavis 2000 comes in yellow as well or just white?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluecraze07 View Post
    Hey guys, any of you know if Mavis 2000 comes in yellow as well or just white?
    White only (15 characters)

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    Ok thanks for the info SH

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    I have actually find out Mavis 2000 is more durable than either Mavis 350/300
    I bought a tube of Mavis 2000 today, and played it for some time. In a 15 min playing around, skirts of Mavis 350/300 usually starting breaking, but Mavis 2000 just show no sign of breaking. So I think Mavis 2000 is actually better for just 2 bucks more than Mavis 350.

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    Where did you buy them in Toronto?

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    Anyone selling Mavis2000 in Malaysia? I need to buy.

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