Let's conclude it, Lin Dan is the best MS baddy player in human history.

**OneToughBirdie** · 06-05-2010, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Jonc108

yes, it's not Rudy's fault that better players could not compete, and no doubt Rudy got the best achievements under such circumstances. however this could not equal to 'the best player of the era'.

So in Rudy era, who do you think would be the best? I heard of Thing and Hou from my older friends when I grew up in MAS but they never compete, Rudy won 8 AEs, 1WCand countless TC. Back then there are no Opens and the best countries are MAS and DEN, no KOR, No Jap and of course no CHN.

**OneToughBirdie** · 06-05-2010, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Yoppy

The game is developing all the time, so the new players are better equip (technically physically equipment people suport etc) than before. So lets say today the young RH meets with LD, i will bet my house LD will not only win but will thrash RH. But ofcourse they live in different era, it was simply imposible for RH (although he may have the capability) to reach LD current level. The game simply was not yet developed to the current level. And if we look to the future, better players than LD will emerge. And they will play at the level we cant even imagine properly right now, and thats something that also imposible for LD to reach today.

Therefore if the question is simply on LD is the best MS player ever, I would say yes. I would also say yes, if the question ask if in the future the best MS player will be better than LD. Its too simple and it happens in every sports, Tyson vs Ali, Maradona vs Pele, Federer vs Sampras etc. I like the later discussion that focuses more on the winning record, that way we can better compare apple with apple.

Today badminton players are professional, during Rudy's time players had second job, they picked up their own shuttles, wooden rackets, etc. etc., we are talking different eras and really, I would not disrespect for what Rudy had achieved. Ae was then the inaugural WC, and Rudy did it 8 times. Back then Rudy was the best and nobody could defeat him during his 8 years of reign. If you say LD today could smack Rudy of the past, then Rudy could easily smack the Wong Peng Soon, On Chong Teik, and all the legends of the game who played 10 years or more before Rudy's time. If you compare eras past to current era, there will be endless comparison, try comparing say, 100m champion of 10 years ago vrs champion runners say 30 years ago, they were get thrashed.

**volcom** · 06-05-2010, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

can't agree more

i think the sentence is not complete, we should add something like a time frame or period

maybe:
''he is the best ms players during the era of lcw, pg, cj, bcl and th even thought he never was the world number 1 during that time''
this is what i gonna tell my kids when he grows up

He was ranked number 1 up until like 08 with a small blip here and there for a few months.

**ctjcad** · 06-05-2010, 09:40 AM

..oh, he was, volcom?? i really didn't know that*gasp*..well, i guess someone didn't follow or check LD's playing career until now..

**pBmMalaysia** · 06-05-2010, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

Today badminton players are professional, during Rudy's time players had second job, they picked up their own shuttles, wooden rackets, etc. etc., we are talking different eras and really, I would not disrespect for what Rudy had achieved. Ae was then the inaugural WC, and Rudy did it 8 times. Back then Rudy was the best and nobody could defeat him during his 8 years of reign. If you say LD today could smack Rudy of the past, then Rudy could easily smack the Wong Peng Soon, On Chong Teik, and all the legends of the game who played 10 years or more before Rudy's time. If you compare eras past to current era, there will be endless comparison, try comparing say, 100m champion of 10 years ago vrs champion runners say 30 years ago, they were get thrashed.

otb, we know badminton game keeps developing over years but we just can't simply compare the past and the present, we make a joke of ourselves if we try

**pBmMalaysia** · 06-05-2010, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by volcom

He was ranked number 1 up until like 08 with a small blip here and there for a few months.

oops!
what a mistake!

''he is the best ms players during the era of lcw, pg, cj, bcl and th even thought he never was the world number 1 for long''

ctjcad, were you laughing???

**ctjcad** · 06-05-2010, 10:33 AM

..i didn't laugh...but next time, if no fact checking, i would be ROFLOLOLOL-ing instead..

**Aspire** · 06-05-2010, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

..i didn't laugh...but next time, if no fact checking, i would be ROFLOLOLOL-ing instead..

Oh talking about facts... you mean self concluded facts

or real fact? LOL too.

**ctjcad** · 06-05-2010, 11:02 AM

Aspire, what do you think volcom was referring to??..

**Aspire** · 06-05-2010, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

Exactly, all great players who maintain a long winning streak needs good health/luck to stay injury free, you can say the same for LD who has been tops for so long and injury free, in fact I have not seen LD wear brace at all. Players who play and win, as Rudy and LCW did, they earn them. Those players who opt not to play, too bad. The record stays.

Very fair statements uncle OTB.

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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We cannot say that Lin Dan is the best MS player in human history.

We can only say that he is found to be the best MS player playing currently.
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Yup agreed.

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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That's correct; We cannot conclude that LD is the best MS Badminton player in human history.

We can only state something like;
LD won w AE titles
RH won x AE titles
FHF smashed at y speed
TBH smashed at z speed
etc......

The thread opener could have put a question for us to answer, say, something like;
Is Lin Dan the best MS baddy player in human history?
.

Or shall we add in the word "arguably". That sound more debatable.

**pBmMalaysia** · 06-05-2010, 11:34 AM

but yesterday i sure had a big laugh when i look through the discussions while transferring them to my blog for fear of kwun closing the next thread.

**Aspire** · 06-05-2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

but yesterday i sure had a big laugh when i look through the discussions while transferring them to my blog for fear of kwun closing the next thread.

Wow you are being fast on that. In baddy term its called anticipation.

So if we want to reminiscent those good moments, we can visit your blog huh.

**pBmMalaysia** · 06-05-2010, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Aspire

Wow you are being fast on that. In baddy term its called anticipation.

So if we want to reminiscent those good moments, we can visit your blog huh.

i think you have the problem with the multi quote keys - you have to turn them off after you posts,

yes, few hundred people read the blog today

**Yoppy** · 06-05-2010, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

Today badminton players are professional, during Rudy's time players had second job, they picked up their own shuttles, wooden rackets, etc. etc., we are talking different eras and really, I would not disrespect for what Rudy had achieved. Ae was then the inaugural WC, and Rudy did it 8 times. Back then Rudy was the best and nobody could defeat him during his 8 years of reign. If you say LD today could smack Rudy of the past, then Rudy could easily smack the Wong Peng Soon, On Chong Teik, and all the legends of the game who played 10 years or more before Rudy's time. If you compare eras past to current era, there will be endless comparison, try comparing say, 100m champion of 10 years ago vrs champion runners say 30 years ago, they were get thrashed.

Thats exactly what i meant and i was not trying to say that LD is better than RH at all. Perhaps I should say we cant compare RH and LD, the words were illustration that its foolish to do so. And we can only compare based on recorded achievements, nothing more.

**porroy** · 06-05-2010, 10:26 PM

currently he is.....

**pBmMalaysia** · 06-05-2010, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Yoppy

Thats exactly what i meant and i was not trying to say that LD is better than RH at all. Perhaps I should say we cant compare RH and LD, the words were illustration that its foolish to do so. And we can only compare based on recorded achievements, nothing more.

not perhaps, we should not. rudy in his prime time won 8 ae titles in 9 years and still members want to compare, unbelievable!

as for lin dan no one should doubt he is the best player at the moment even though occasionally he lost now and then, he's just awesome!

but i don't like him very much accept his play

**Bbn** · 06-06-2010, 06:41 PM

It can be argued LD is the best simply because he is able to learn from the past eg from predecessors and take advantage

of technology today, which was not available in the past. Its like saying Ford cars today are better than Ford cars that first came out.

In case some of you are unaware, Indonesia had in the past always kept Rudy only for important tournaments and never allowed him to play Tang and Hou, and there was suspicion of throwing games by team members to allow Rudy to maintain his aura.I have no objections to this, its just that people like to criticise China today for such practices.
Anyway, in the past whenever Rudy was beaten it was rare and front page news! Among players who have succeeded are Denmark's Sven Pri, Sweden" Sweden's Sture Johnson,compatriot Muljadi,Martin Dew even suspected that Christian Hadinata was even better, but was moved to doubles to facilitate Rudy" dominance. Its all old crap now, but interesting data.