Let's conclude it, Lin Dan is the best MS baddy player in human history.

**Wong8Egg** · 03-09-2009, 11:44 PM

Lin Dan has dominated the MS field since 2004 and counting. He won OG, he won 2 times WC, 4 times AE, and countless numbers of SS.

And by best I mean he is better than all badminton great from the past too. He would beat anyone today or from the past even at their prime time.

Agree or not. Discuss.

**volcom** · 03-09-2009, 11:47 PM

Haters will only agree to that if he wins the WC this year and a AG Gold and Malaysian open and Indonesian Open.
Before he acomplishes that they will never agree

... Also, perhaps they'll say LD is playing players past their primes now and there is no upcoming talent to test him etc....
Blah blah bra...

**narnia** · 03-09-2009, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Wong8Egg

Lin Dan has dominated the MS field since 2004 and counting. He won OG, he won 2 times WC, 4 times AE, and countless numbers of SS.

And by best I mean he is better than all badminton great from the past too. He would beat anyone today or from the past even at their prime time.

Agree or not. Discuss.

Totally Agreed!

**narnia** · 03-09-2009, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by volcom

Haters will only agree to that if he wins the WC this year and a AG Gold and Malaysian open and Indonesian Open.
Before he acomplishes that they will never agree

... Also, perhaps they'll say LD is playing players past their primes now and there is no upcoming talent to test him etc....
Blah blah bra...

I will more agree if he can win in five "consecutive" BWF four star+ tournaments. In 21-rally points system, stochastically, it's much harder to accomplish this.

**ctjcad** · 03-10-2009, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Wong8Egg

...
And by best I mean he is better than all badminton great from the past too. He would beat anyone today or from the past even at their prime time.
...

it's the age old discussion..
well, personally, it's hard to gauge/judge/compare him against players from the past (even at their prime)..that's like trying to compare the current Yonex ArcSaber 7 (or whatever model they have now is better than the Blackie racket of yesteryear)..Also, how about players from the future (i mean 15-20 yrs from now)? How will LD be compared/gauged/judged to them and vice versa??..

Originally Posted by volcom

Haters will only agree to that if he wins the WC this year and a AG Gold and Malaysian open and Indonesian Open.
Before he acomplishes that they will never agree

... Also, perhaps they'll say LD is playing players past their primes now and there is no upcoming talent to test him etc....
Blah blah bra...

..i'd like to add:
And he's won all those major titles using the New Scoring System (since 2006)..

**narnia** · 03-10-2009, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

it's the age old discussion..

..i'd like to add:
And he's won all those major titles using the New Scoring System (since 2006)..

Agreed. I'd like to say about it; the system makes differences. You can't play like that with 15-service long systems.

**cooler** · 03-10-2009, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by narnia

Agreed. I'd like to say about it; the system makes differences. You can't play like that with 15-service long systems.

not much difference except LD has more shopping time left because steamrolling his opponent to 15 is quicker than to 21.

**narnia** · 03-10-2009, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by cooler

not much difference except LD has more shopping time left because steamrolling his opponent to 15 is quicker than to 21.

Do you know you're saying just as you have already forgotten all about how the 15-system goes on?

If you want, check it with the tournament s/w scores of his game in order to know how long it will take if they play with the old system.

**george@chongwei** · 03-10-2009, 03:42 AM

in human history??
hmm...lol

**Wong8Egg** · 03-10-2009, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

in human history??
hmm...lol

Probably not the alien with 8 hands and 5 legs, but yes for human.

**cooler** · 03-10-2009, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by narnia

Do you know you're saying just as you have already forgotten all about how the 15-system goes on?

If you want, check it with the tournament s/w scores of his game in order to know how long it will take if they play with the old system.

thx but i know exactly how the two scoring system work

now u should look up what does 'steamrolling' mean

**narnia** · 03-10-2009, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by cooler

thx but i know exactly how the two scoring system work

now u should look up what does 'steamrolling' mean

Haha, man, it usually does not work like that. Just check how long it will take with any of the stored scorings; you seem to know the systems but don't in practice.

**Zero_Cool** · 03-10-2009, 03:12 PM

I personally think he is the best player in 21-rally point system.
With 15 point system, he is one of the best but NOT necessarily THE BEST.
21-point systems suits his style of playing, 15-point system suits LCW style more.
End.

**headphones** · 03-10-2009, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by narnia

Totally Agreed!

He didn't dominate at all, it was all LUCK

**bananakid** · 03-10-2009, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by narnia

I will more agree if he can win in five "consecutive" BWF four star+ tournaments. In 21-rally points system, stochastically, it's much harder to accomplish this.

Lin Dan has done it already back in 2006

All these tournaments were held consecutively
Macau open 06 beating LCW in final
Chinese Taipei open 06 beating LCW in final
Hong Kong open 06 beating LCW in final
World Championship 06 beating Bao CL in final
Japan open 06 beating Taufik in final

**bananakid** · 03-10-2009, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Zero_Cool

I personally think he is the best player in 21-rally point system.
With 15 point system, he is one of the best but NOT necessarily THE BEST.
21-point systems suits his style of playing, 15-point system suits LCW style more.
End.

Funny how LCW only beat LD once(1 time) under 15 point system and that was in Malaysia open 05... note: Malaysia open.. for the village king LCW.

**bananakid** · 03-10-2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Wong8Egg

Lin Dan has dominated the MS field since 2004 and counting. He won OG, he won 2 times WC, 4 times AE, and countless numbers of SS.

And by best I mean he is better than all badminton great from the past too. He would beat anyone today or from the past even at their prime time.

Agree or not. Discuss.

The current competition level is higher than in the past years... consider how back in Rudy's years, China wasn't even competing at all.

Lin Dan has really dominated since 2004, with some set backs(obviously), but he remained to be the one winning the most tournaments before winning the World championship. Then obviously he won the 2 world championships, followed up with the victory at OG 08... that pretty much put him above everyone else in terms of major title victories ever since badminton became an OG sport.

If that is not enough to prove his dominance and being possibly the very best badminton MS player ever.