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03-10-2009, 03:54 PM #18
03-10-2009, 03:58 PM #19
03-10-2009, 07:17 PM #20
I kept thinking Zhao Jianhua was the best ever. But after watching him play in OG last year and the recent tournments, I start thinking he is even better than Zhao. LD plays like Yang Yang. They both don't have any weakness, but just LD is a little better in every aspect.
03-10-2009, 10:31 PM #21
03-11-2009, 01:35 AM #22
It's really hard to compare players. If I had to, I would chose Zhao Jianhua as a better player. Zhao won the Japan Open and All England at 18 yo, and in my opinion technically better than Lin Dan at that age. At 18, Zhao's court coverage skills is superior to the pre OG'08 Lin Dan and not weaker than the current Lin Dan, I think.
03-11-2009, 03:11 AM #23
1 to 1 comparison is not so straight forward sometime. LD, IMO, as a composite whole right now, is better than when ZJH. I have alway rated ZJH higher than LD but when LD won the OG, he had reach and surpassed ZJH as a better complete player. At his peak, ZJH is near perfect but ZJH is also inconsistent, he can not win title continuously. In one match, I have seen ZJH lost to ardy wiranata with stupid careless unforced errors. LD can consistently win, barring internal agenda Like TH, ZJH has natural gift so they excel at an earlier age. However, true winner must continue to evolve and improve.
LD didn't invented all his skills, he borrowed some from ZJH, sun jung, tang fu, and many before him, including from his many opponents. Every prior known weakness of LD have been corrected (or hidden skillfully) by LD: His robotic play, his no netting skills, his weak backhand, smash only type of a player image, all fixed. So the best is the one who is the best learner. Same thing as asking is great leader born or made? i say both but also depends. It depends how high of a standard each of them willing to pursue.
03-11-2009, 11:50 AM #24
03-11-2009, 12:15 PM #25
ZJH has very good anticipation and is also very athletic. Just watch any of his match. See how he intercepts of opponents' lifts/clears. His movement is similar to LD's: almost just one jump from the base position, body fully stretched, use only wrist power and yet was able to hit a reasonably powerful smash. ZJH in good form simply has everything.
That said, I don't think ZJH of 1990, if brought here by a time machine, can beat LD in OG final. Because LD's physical ability is super-human in OG final, exaggerating a bit, he ran faster than the shuttle in that match. No wonder LCW had no idea what to do.
On the other hand, I believe ZJH at his best can easily destroy any of the current top 10s except LD and LCW.
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03-11-2009, 01:03 PM #26
I grow up watching ZJH play a lot. ZJH can be compared to Brazil in soccer. LD is like Italy. If ZJH plays his perfect game and cut down unforced errors to a minimum, he can still beat LD. But too bad, if they play 10 games, ZJH can be at his best probably in 4 games. So LD will probably win 6/4. That's why I feel that LD is a better player.
03-11-2009, 01:22 PM #27
03-11-2009, 03:42 PM #28
i conclude it Lin Dan is undoubtedly the best player in human history. He is the most dominant sportsman in the world.
03-11-2009, 06:39 PM #29
are you guys for real?! It shouldn't even be an argument.
ZJH's era was almost 20 years ago! Superior training techniques, nutrition, and technology means that players now are a lot faster, stronger, agile and smarter than they were before. Pretty much coaches took all the ingredients of what made past players so successful and added to it.
I remember hearing an ex-english national player from the 1980's saying that he didn't think he could get a single point against BCL.
No respect to ZJH as he was a great player for his era, but LD would beat the crap outta him if they ever played. Not only LD, lots of top players now would be able to beat ZJH. yah even yo-yo hafiz haha
It's like comparing a 1990 Ferrari to a 2009 Ferrari. Yah, the 1990 Ferrari was amazing for it's era, but if they ever raced the 2009 would completely destroy the 1990 Ferrari.
03-11-2009, 07:28 PM #30
we still live in age whereby the greats of yesteryear are irrationally placed on an untouchable pedestal.
Evolution takes place in sports too. Advances in sports technology, training and nutrition have allowed this. Another example - look at how the 100m record has improved over the years!
now, whether today's players are more skillful than those of yesteryear is a completely different issue...
03-11-2009, 07:50 PM #31
03-11-2009, 08:22 PM #32
This question comes up because people have quite different ideas of what 'best baddy player' means. It could mean any of the following (and implied by some posters)
1. He has the highest probability of winning against any player.
2. He has the best technique
3. He is the most famous player (good or bad)
4. He has most fans (or admirers)
A marketing survey is likely to focus on meaning 3 or 4. What is discussed probably implies 1. Historical record will settle that LD has the best winning record against current players in the past 18 months. Guessing what will happen with a time machine is anyone's guess.
For that matter, If ZJW is born 15 years later, I suspect he will beat LD since any advantage of evolution is eliminated.
03-11-2009, 09:17 PM #33
My personal opinion on Zhao at 19, was already a great player, great court coverage skills (technically superior than the current Lin Dan) and excellent shots selection, tactically speaking. When we compare the attacking ability, Zhao already had a good net play at that age which allowed him to create the attacking opportunities for himself- can we analyse the placements for example, the angles that ZJH could produce vs LD?
Also on this forum, there is an interview on coach Fang Kai Xiang. Look for it and find out his views on badminton. It's an good read and I found it educational.
03-11-2009, 10:02 PM #34
It's like long time tennis fans. They still think the like of Borg or McEnroe could stand up to Federer or Nadal (assuming they use modern equipment :P). If you actually watch them it's glaringly obvious who is "better". As to who is "greater", that's more open to debate (and kind of down to personal opinion too...). It's just like athletics or swimming where world records are broken year after year. I agree with "yourbestfriend" hehe.
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