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08-20-2009, 05:42 PM #154
LD had fought TH, LCW, peter gade, SDK, chen hong, chen jin, BCL, LHI, Park SH, and being a level ahead of them is what make LD great.
08-20-2009, 05:43 PM #155
The poll results will be predictable as tomorrow's sun rise.
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Last edited by cooler; 08-20-2009 at 05:52 PM.
08-20-2009, 06:42 PM #156
The debate will continue..
Players in the olden days, IMO, had more challengers or quality opponents and they had to play using the OSS.
08-20-2009, 06:51 PM #157
the tv commentators said it best.... WORLD best MS player of the modern era. indisputable
Last edited by jug8man; 08-20-2009 at 06:57 PM.
08-20-2009, 06:53 PM #158
LCW however is best MS player of the EVER (NOT JUST modern era) of MALAYSIA. So Malaysians.... deal with it
08-20-2009, 07:05 PM #159
I would like to include the following players... Not the best all the time, but when they did make their mark,... Lin Dan was still there to snuff them out:-
-Kenneth Johansen (former world no. 1 or 2 at some point i believe)
-Boonsak Ponsana (had so much giant killer potential)
-Wong Choon Hann (at his prime, wrested the China Open title,..... only for China to avenge greatly with the coming of Lin Dan)
-Hafiz Hashim (ooops)
08-20-2009, 08:50 PM #160
Try taking a wooden racket that weighs in at about 200grams, wooden shaft, natural gut strings at 12-16lbs. Aeroplane shuttles of that era that's like the super cheap grade shuttles in the stores, today and try doing a 100% jump smash as you would do with a ArcSaber 10 or Mp99. Then let me know how well you fare. .... Or yah, don't forget the Double Happiness canvas shoes, and 'rugby grade' cotton top and bermuda shorts to go with the flow.
Then try playing the 'old' 15 points system. And let us know truthfully how it feels compared to the equipment you're using now.
Truth of the matter is that in badminton as in any sports, "greatness" is something which is defined by the social climate of the times. There is no clear benchmark. And also as in any sports, usually hard work will get you the most consistent results. But having worked with some of the most talented sports people I've seen in various sports, namely badminton and cycling as well as cross-country running, I can say 'talent' means as much as pure hard work at the very highest levels. Had a personal friend who at junior under-14 beat a certain (later to be World no. 1 ) Wong Choon Hann at a regional junior tournament. And he certainly had 'talent', as personified in the way he plays and approaches the game. Unfortunately circumstances prevailed and he gave up badminton for his studies.
LD is a talent, who with hard work has achieved a whole lot more than all his other peers of the current generation. However, its not always been clear whether he's been considered a 'naturally talented' player. Such players only come around once a decade or so. And in my eyes, he's not in that category. I would say he's a closer clone to Yang Yang. Athletic, determined and hardworking. But he certainly doesn't play the game as a 'natural' player would, certainly not 'the greatest'.
That being said, all the experience of the past masters amount to nothing if the player has not the ability to absorb it. Having these 'masters' to train him doesn't automatically make him a great player. Does having Liszt and Chopin being your piano teachers make you the best piano player too ? Not by a long shot...
To me, a great player is one who can lift the game to such scintillating heights, even the opponent much less the audience have nothing but grant utter respect and submit to the 'greatness'. One who brings a whole new dimension to the otherwise 'mundane'.
There will always be 'great ' and 'legends' once in a generation. But there will never be a 'greatest ever'.
08-20-2009, 09:01 PM #161
Regarding your comparison of Lin Dan to Yang Yang.... There are a few major differences.
1) Lin Dan was never truly 'schooled' by anybody. Even if he did lose to someone, he would always return the favour with LOADS of interest. His 'track-record-&-performance' againts Taufik & LCW is the main proof of this.
Yang Yang on the other hand will always have ZJH whom seem 'superior' in every way except sadly the story we all know.
2) You my say that both Yang Yang & Lin Dan are athlethic,... but the truth is that Lin Dans Athlethicism is at such a different level & pace. Play both players matches together at the same time and Yang Yang desn't look very ahlethic anymore. Fit maybe. Perhaps you should compare Yang Yang to Lee Chong Wei?
Last edited by jug8man; 08-20-2009 at 09:03 PM.
08-20-2009, 10:04 PM #162
Nope, LCW is not in the same category as YY, at least not in my books. YY produced performances and results with far greater consistency. LD's approach to the game is indeed very close to YY's in terms of corrections and hard work. And also the results he produces.
08-20-2009, 11:13 PM #163
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04-08-2010, 12:54 PM #167
title of this thread is correct only if lin dan is unbeatable until now....
i have read the entire 166 posts and i think the bcer here are exhausted...
to claim x is better than y when there is a time difference of more than 10 years or even 5 years, is just impossible even though we can see the game has improved in terms of speed endurance, technique and power
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