Let's conclude it, Lin Dan is the best MS baddy player in human history.

[badMania]

Hmm....a very refreshing finding I would say. Perhaps others who are more knowledgeable on Rudy Hartono and INA badminton in those days can comment about it.

I only know that at that time, competition in INA was very intense and you simply had to be the best before you could get sent to compete in international tourneys. So, several rounds of internal selection were necessary to choose the best player.

It can be argued LD is the best simply because he is able to learn from the past eg from predecessors and take advantage

of technology today, which was not available in the past. Its like saying Ford cars today are better than Ford cars that first came out.

In case some of you are unaware, Indonesia had in the past always kept Rudy only for important tournaments and never allowed him to play Tang and Hou, and there was suspicion of throwing games by team members to allow Rudy to maintain his aura.I have no objections to this, its just that people like to criticise China today for such practices.
Anyway, in the past whenever Rudy was beaten it was rare and front page news! Among players who have succeeded are Denmark's Sven Pri, Sweden" Sweden's Sture Johnson,compatriot Muljadi,Martin Dew even suspected that Christian Hadinata was even better, but was moved to doubles to facilitate Rudy" dominance. Its all old crap now, but interesting data.

[Bbn]

Perhaps others who are more knowledgeable on Rudy Hartono and INA badminton in those days can comment about it.

LOL, you seem to be saying that I am not knowledgeable about Rudy Hartono,people in this forum know I am the one promoting and trying to etch in history the achievements of Rudy Hartono and Liem Swie King, where nobody else would bother. i am not taking anything away from Rudy, but his career was a bit shaky after 1974, people say that the 1976 final was not played out whole-heartedly.All the stuff about Ina baddy history is available on the PBSI site.
It was the 70s, the era of the Magnificent Seven, it was a time when people were whispering that Tang and Hou
could depose Rudy but Ina never let it happen. They allowed Liem Swie King to play in the SEA games in 1976, and he was beaten by 37 year old Hou Jia Jiang.Later on Ilie Sumirat beat both Tang and Hou in the ABC in Bangkok in 1976, both were 37 years old by then .
Rudy retired in 1976, but LSK was beaten by Sven Pri in 1977, Rudy was recalled to prop up LSK, so LSK won in 1978, then LSK lost again in 1980 to Prakash, and again Rudy was recalled to restore Ina glory.Rudy even became world champion in 1980 at the age of 30 beating LSK.
LSK once played Lius Ponggoh in Ina Open,Lius was making a comeback after he nearly lost his life, LSK was leading maybe 14-1 in the match and allowed Lius to chase up and win. You can see on youtube how LSK handed points to Lius in the 1980 WC semis.
After the retirement of Rudy in 1982, LSK soldiered on but a new power in the form of China dominated the sport.
Perhaps some people from Ina from that era can tell more (assuming they like to leak to the world their own domestic affairs and other warts). One that I know has already passed away, Indra Gunawan.

[pBmMalaysia]

Hmm....a very refreshing finding I would say. Perhaps others who are more knowledgeable on Rudy Hartono and INA badminton in those days can comment about it.

I only know that at that time, competition in INA was very intense and you simply had to be the best before you could get sent to compete in international tourneys. So, several rounds of internal selection were necessary to choose the best player.

the underlined maybe a bit sensitive
what bbn had said i can still recall my late father saying similar stories:

but my father was a big fan of tang and hou, he would find and buy all newspaper & magazine if there was any news on them and he would translate to me and tell his friends, just like bc now without computer then.

what i can still recall most of them have already been said in bc and some from bbn. indonesia looked at rudy as their king, a role model and they were indeed very protective of him until sumirat beat both tang and hou my late father said '' probably this is their (tang & hou) last bait to lure rudy out to play''
but it never happened

[Bbn]

News like these(hope you read Malay).I will load all these into a blog later.

[Bbn]

Two mistakes and errors in my comments,LSK was beaten b Fleming Delfs in 1977 AE,not Sven Pri.

in 1976 both Tang & Hou were about 34 not 37.

I wonder if LD 's achievements will enter Guiness book of records or put him in Time magazine like Hartono ot Tang.

[kwun]

It can be argued LD is the best simply because he is able to learn from the past eg from predecessors and take advantage

of technology today, which was not available in the past. Its like saying Ford cars today are better than Ford cars that first came out.

In case some of you are unaware, Indonesia had in the past always kept Rudy only for important tournaments and never allowed him to play Tang and Hou, and there was suspicion of throwing games by team members to allow Rudy to maintain his aura.I have no objections to this, its just that people like to criticise China today for such practices.

it was also mentioned in Hou's autobiography. INA kept Rudy from Hou and Tang. and then in 1982, they took Rudy out of retirement only to get beaten by Luan Jin in the TC. however, Tang/Hou was already retired and were coach of the CHN team.

[Bbn]

Can anyone remember the link of the Rudy Hartono article when he was voted in Time magazine

as one of Asia's all-time icons?

In the meantime i will try to see if I can recover my own adobe file as the one loaded is damaged.

[chris-ccc]

Can anyone remember the link of the Rudy Hartono article when he was voted in Time magazine

as one of Asia's all-time icons?

In the meantime i will try to see if I can recover my own adobe file as the one loaded is damaged.

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Rudy Hartono article when he was voted in Time magazine's "60 years of Asian Heroes".

http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/h...e_hartono.html

Rudy Hartono
His spellbinding victories showed a nation that anything was possible
By Jason Tedjasukmana

Believe it or not, there was a time when mention of Indonesia conjured up images of something other than pollution or terrorism. That time was coterminous with the career of badminton star Rudy Hartono—a dazzling eight-year spell from 1968 to 1976, during which Indonesia would be freely associated with agility and brio, not brown haze and bombs. Granted, badminton does not have the massive followings of soccer or cricket. But to its devoted fans there is no sound sweeter than the swish of a goosefeather shuttlecock. Just ask the Indonesians, who arguably are the most fanatical followers of all.

Before the Chinese-Indonesian Hartono, born Nio Hap Liang, took the badminton world by storm, only one other Indonesian, Tan Joe Hok, had won the coveted All England title—the game's equivalent to Wimbledon. The search was quickly on for another homegrown champion and in Surabaya, the industrial capital of East Java, the young Hartono was being groomed for glory. He trained on concrete at a nearby railway station during the day, and under kerosene lamps at night, under the watchful eye of his father—a player of average ability who channeled frustrated ambitions through his son. "Back then, athletes became successful because of their parents," explains Hartono, now 57 and living in Jakarta, where he works for an oil company. "There was no organization or club, much less sponsorship."

While competing in municipal tournaments, the teenage Hartono caught the eye of national scouts. From that moment on, his rise was the stuff of legend. In 1967, he was part of the Indonesian squad that won the Thomas Cup. The following year, aged 19, he struck out on his own. With the whole country watching back home, Hartono defeated Malaysia's Tan Aik Huang to bring the All England title back to Indonesia. It galvanized the nation. "I remember listening to the match on the radio when I was growing up in Central Java," recalls Clara Joewono, a director at Jakarta's Centre for Strategic and International Studies. "After he won, all the kids in Pekalongan exploded on to the streets with their rackets."

Hartono's playing style, characterized by its ferocious power, earned him another seven All England titles, six of them consecutively. More than that, to a country now riven by religious strife, separatism and economic woes, he was, for eight glorious years, a symbol of unity and pride—badminton's boy king, through whom Indonesia ruled the world.
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[Bbn]

Saay,

Luan Jin has moved again. This time he has moved from Taiwan and now he is coaching the Singapore team!

[Bbn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH2aB...eature=related

This is an ancient Lee CW vs Lin Dan match.

[Wong8Egg]

This thread deserve yet another bump with the AG gold in his bag now.





I hope Lin Dan will come to play Canada and US open next year. So he could be on par with Taufik's achievement.

[chris-ccc]

This thread deserve yet another bump with the AG gold in his bag now.

I hope Lin Dan will come to play Canada and US open next year. So he could be on par with Taufik's achievement.

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Surely, Lin Dan is on par with Taufik Hidayat, if not surpassing Taufik already.

If Lin Dan were to come to Canada to play, I am sure he would multiply many fans there.
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[ctjcad]

..LD has surpassed TH lah in terms of winning arguably all of the individual major tourneys in badminton..

[johnchang]

I think it's difficult to compare eras with different circumstances, technology, knowledge, fitness regimes etc. Each era has it's own peculiar situations with it's own attending superstars and different styles of play. I don't think you can judge who is better than whom when comparing eras. For example Rudy Hartono won 8 All England titles, 7 of which was won consecutively - a record which is pretty hard to emulate let alone beat. He aslo won the WC title in 1980 - after coming out of retirement! Plus the OG title in 1972 - although badminton was only a demonstration sport then. Rudy Hartono was the most dominant player of his era. Do all these pale in comparison to LD's achievements? You'd have a hard time convincing me.

Likewise in golf there is the unending debate about who is the best - Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus?

[laivc]

I think it's difficult to compare eras with different circumstances, technology, knowledge, fitness regimes etc. Each era has it's own peculiar situations with it's own attending superstars and different styles of play. I don't think you can judge who is better than whom when comparing eras. For example Rudy Hartono won 8 All England titles, 7 of which was won consecutively - a record which is pretty hard to emulate let alone beat. He aslo won the WC title in 1980 - after coming out of retirement! Plus the OG title in 1972 - although badminton was only a demonstration sport then. Rudy Hartono was the most dominant player of his era. Do all these pale in comparison to LD's achievements? You'd have a hard time convincing me.

Likewise in golf there is the unending debate about who is the best - Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus?

With no disrespect for Hartono, he was so dominant during his time because 2 of his strongest competitors, Hou Jiachang & Tang Xianhu from China were not allowed to participate in international competitions due to political reason. Unlike todays, LD has to plays all his strongest opponents on the day like TH, LCW, PG, etc to win all his titles.

[cadlag]

The only ss title that LD has not won yet is Malaysia Open, is this right?

[Wong8Egg]

The only ss title that LD has not won yet is Malaysia Open, is this right?

I don't think he has won Indonesian Open either. But LD did win one of his WC at Malaysia.