Let's conclude it, Lin Dan is the best MS baddy player in human history.

**konohapeace** · 10-29-2011, 09:58 PM

even sometimes i don't agree but still have admit that HE IS THE BEST IN WORLD BADMINTON HISTORY with winning all major and minot games....still cheering also for Lee Chong Wei ;-D

**pBmMalaysia** · 10-30-2011, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by madbad

Firstly, I need to get this off my chest. The title has been bugging me no end. Why ".... human history?" Is there some alien form out there that could make LD look live a novice? Are animals covered? Is the OP secretly aware of a racket-wielding cow or pig and therefore means to exclude them? Sorry, just my insanity taking over.

I think it was because of angry birds that's why the word 'human' was used

Originally Posted by madbad

You can't give Tiger a pass for his indiscretions if you don't give LD one for his. This completely blows up your theory for greatness. And BTW, LD has a great personality. Hasn't LD changed people's views of badminton too, to the point many believe he is one of the best ever? Just like Tiger, everyone wants to watch LD.

Yes ld has changed a lot of things in badminton - totally agreed

. Winning big tournaments and skip schools as well thats why he's more popular than any other baddy human on earth

**george@chongwei** · 11-02-2011, 03:38 AM

But looks like he's not in his fittest form right now

He's very injury prone this year, huh?

**chris-ccc** · 11-02-2011, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

But looks like he's not in his fittest form right now

He's very injury prone this year, huh?

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I believe it's all acting.

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**george@chongwei** · 11-04-2011, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by chris-ccc

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I believe it's all acting.

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Should we give him a special recognition and award in world of badminton?

**chris-ccc** · 11-04-2011, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by george@chongwei

Should we give him a special recognition and award in world of badminton?

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No way... We should only give special recognition and award for positive conduct, not negative.

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**Yoppy** · 11-04-2011, 07:11 PM

Oscar award kind of award lol

**jasonmarc** · 11-04-2011, 10:07 PM

I think the title of this thread shd be change to ' Let's conclude it, Lin Dan is the best baddy player that with highest Walk Over and retire incidences in human history'

**crashdemon** · 11-05-2011, 10:42 AM

Well, if he's going to be the best, then might as well be the best in everything right?

Originally Posted by jasonmarc

I think the title of this thread shd be change to ' Let's conclude it, Lin Dan is the best baddy player that with highest Walk Over and retire incidences in human history'

**cogidubnus** · 11-21-2011, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by iqbaljuve

LCW get 2 AE, LD get 4 AE
LCW get 0 olympic, LD get 1 olympic
LCW get 0 world championship, LD get 4 world championship
LCW get 0 SC, LD get 4 SC
LCW get 0 TC, LD get 4 SC
LCW get 0 asian games induvidual, LD get 1 asian games induvidual

head to head = 17 : 8 for lin dan,
because there is one match is not written in bwf website, asian games 2010, LD vs lcw : 21-13, 15-21, 21-10.

Actually braids is right, at the time of your writing i.e. 16/8/11, their head to head was 18 to 8 in favour of LD, because the bwf website (I wish it could be much better maintained) not only missed asian games 2010 as you mentioned, but also omitted Hong Kong open 2006, which LD won beating LCW in 3 sets (21-19, 8-21, 21-16). Hope this helps, cheers.

**Jonc108** · 11-22-2011, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by youngboy1984

Lin Dan is the greated player in history thus far. Lets compare LD to LCWas someone stated LCW get 2 AE, LD get 4 AELCW get 0 olympic, LD get 1 olympicLCW get 0 world championship, LD get 4 world championshipLCW get 0 SC, LD get 4 SCLCW get 0 TC, LD get 4 SCLCW get 0 asian games induvidual, LD get 1 asian games induvidualhead to head = 17 : 8 for lin danNow lets look at world ranking, LD was ranked number 1 for a few years, now that hes a bit older he is focusing on winning big events to put the finishing touches on his legacy, rather than playing a bunch of events. He put in so much work he deserves to preserve himself for the big tournaments.When people talk about LCW they say ''ohh thats the guy we want to see play LD' when people talk about LD they say 'thats the all time great'

Looking at these facts, don't know why people pick up LCW to compare w.r.t. the topic? He's not even qualified for comparison...There are many more else in badminton history more capable of being comparable with LD than LCW....

**undeadshot** · 11-22-2011, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Jonc108

Looking at these facts, don't know why people pick up LCW to compare w.r.t. the topic? He's not even qualified for comparison...There are many more else in badminton history more capable of being comparable with LD than LCW....

Mainly because LCW is the only one who is anywhere remotely close to LD, although he has nearly nothing of LD's achievements of today. It is difficult to compare players from the past and the present too, although I firmly believe that LD is better than those from the past.

**cogidubnus** · 11-23-2011, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by undeadshot

Mainly because LCW is the only one who is anywhere remotely close to LD, although he has nearly nothing of LD's achievements of today. It is difficult to compare players from the past and the present too, although I firmly believe that LD is better than those from the past.

Totally agree. LCW's achievements are not even close to LD. But not having good results doesn't necessarily mean a player is bad. Level of play is also important. In LCW's case, he just has this misfortune of being in the same era as this freak of a player whose chance of occurrence is like once every 50 years. I could be wrong, but LCW's standard in 2011 is probably the 2nd highest in the last 10-15 years, only slightly lower than LD, and arguably higher than Taufik, Gade, Xia Xuanze etc at their best. That alone can put LCW amongst the all time greats.

Maybe I wouldn't say LD is better than all past players, cos one player comes to mind - Zhao Jianhua. When it comes to sheer talent, technique, shot making abilities and tactical thinking, he's one of a kind, just like LD. Of course, LD is almost certainly faster and more powerful, but that can be attributed to advances in training, nutrition and medical technology.

Having said that, Zhao's achievements are not as spectacular as LD, and was terribly inconsistent (partly due to pneumonia and loads of other injuries). On his good days, Zhao can probably match LD, but those days were few and far in between. So yeah, I don't think there's any competition to LD as to the title of the greatest of all time. The fact that we're discussing his place in history when he's not even close to retirement just makes it even more amazing.

**Wong8Egg** · 08-06-2012, 12:20 AM

This thread truly deserve a bump. Another Olympic Gold under his belt. Anyone who question LD's ability and achievement has no more ground to stand.

Ranked #1. 2 Olympic Gold. 1 Asian Game Gold. 4 World Championship Gold.

I really hope that I would live long enough to see another person to top what LD has achieved. A true living legend!!!

**eugene_wong** · 08-06-2012, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by cogidubnus

Totally agree. LCW's achievements are not even close to LD. But not having good results doesn't necessarily mean a player is bad. Level of play is also important. In LCW's case, he just has this misfortune of being in the same era as this freak of a player whose chance of occurrence is like once every 50 years. I could be wrong, but LCW's standard in 2011 is probably the 2nd highest in the last 10-15 years, only slightly lower than LD, and arguably higher than Taufik, Gade, Xia Xuanze etc at their best. That alone can put LCW amongst the all time greats.

Maybe I wouldn't say LD is better than all past players, cos one player comes to mind - Zhao Jianhua. When it comes to sheer talent, technique, shot making abilities and tactical thinking, he's one of a kind, just like LD. Of course, LD is almost certainly faster and more powerful, but that can be attributed to advances in training, nutrition and medical technology.

Having said that, Zhao's achievements are not as spectacular as LD, and was terribly inconsistent (partly due to pneumonia and loads of other injuries). On his good days, Zhao can probably match LD, but those days were few and far in between. So yeah, I don't think there's any competition to LD as to the title of the greatest of all time. The fact that we're discussing his place in history when he's not even close to retirement just makes it even more amazing.

Yes, I agree that Zhao could match Lin Dan. However, Zhao made many mistakes and poor in defense despite his abilities. He had superb skills and great killer shots but when his mistakes were as much as his winning shots, he lost......That explain why he could lose to a much lower ranked player. Unlike Frost who made fewest mistakes and strong defense but without lethal weapons....hence, he almost never lost to player below his standard.....

If on a day when Zhao didn't make many mistakes, like the one in AE 1990, then he has good chance to beat Lin Dan...

**Fortune** · 01-21-2013, 08:23 AM

it's very hard to compare players from different eras. that's why for me, the best 5 MS in history are : Tang Xianhu, Hou Jiachang, Yang - Yang, Zhao Jianhua, and Lin Dan. they are the best in their eras

**Fortune** · 01-21-2013, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie

I see your point here, sounds reasonable. Then Chris may be correct, in LD current era i.e. last 10 years...and for all time best, I forgot Rudy H with his 8AEs (he is famous enough to go by his first name), sorry I don't mean Rudy Hauge

8 AE titles, yes, bcoz no china players in mickey mouse AE. But hey, what about Asian Games ? older player likes Hou Jiachang won it in 1974. What about Rudi ? Where is he during 1974 Asian Games ?

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

yes, chris is correct and for the rudy h's record (the one with the artono at the back), i think with 8 ae's its safe to say nobody's going to break it for many years to come

8 AE titles with helps from team mates (Liem Swie King and etc), and also no China players at that time. very easy competition but still, rudy needs helps from his team mates. Rudi H is the best ever ?

. btw, LD also can win more than 8 titles if he focus in AE only, plus helps from Chen Hong & Chen Jin in 2005 & 2008 finals. But CBA and LD doesn't interested to make records in mickey mouse AE hahaha

. 2005 won by CH, 2008 won by CJ, and LD very often attend Germany open,,...not focus in AE only, despite he already won it 5 times