CCDs vs CMOS

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  1. markache@hotmai

    markache@hotmai Regular Member

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    I recently got a low end COMS digital camera , for comparision ,I used this one and my old Panasonic DC (CCD) took picture of shuttlecock ,but the result wasn't what I thought ..
     

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    the light ,distance were the same
     
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    few years back, ccd is better than cmos. today, i can say both are almost the same quality. your photos difference cant judge ccd superior than cmos.
    it may due to;
    1. software/firmware
    2. lens quality
    3. hardware quality
    4. ccd/cmos size

    pick a high-end compact camera with 12mp ccd. photo quality will not match a 5mp cmos dslr.
     
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    I see ,thanks
    Electronic products is improving so fast ~~~
     
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    It's the other way around in broadcast.

    CMOS is for amateurs or, at best, prosumers.
    CCD is what goes into professional cameras :)
     
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    i dont know that Canon EOS 1Ds Mark III and Nikon D3X both are just amateur or prosumer dslr .......... my bad... my bad....:eek:
     
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    Er, no.
    I was referring to broadcast, not photography :)
     
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    in broadcasting, color richness is more important than image sharpness:D
    just my very limited knowledge in this field:D
     
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    iin your case, it's the difference between total quality of 2 cameras, not just the sensors.
     
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    Oldhand, would you mind please explaining the broadcast vs consumer sensor disparity?
    I ask because Panasonic, well known for their beautiful-colour-quality 3CCD camcorders, recently changed to 3MOS.. this seems to contradict what you and cooler are saying in terms of the importance of colour :/
     
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    You are better served by researching this distinction on your own.
    However, I will provide a brief comparative opinion :)

    (Remember, you asked for this :D)

    Your point of reference is the lower end of the video camera range.
    These cameras are for, to use a generalisation, 'recreational' video-making.
    Typically, these are cheap cameras - and, typically, they use CMOS chips.

    High-end cameras are those used in live outdoor production (sports, concerts, news, etc), and in television studios.
    Typically, these are expensive cameras - and, typically, they use CCDs.

    It's true that a few CMOS models are used by broadcasters too - but that's more because of considerations like power consumption, unobtrusiveness, etc. For instance, Iraq isn't a place to be lugging around a large CCD camera which eats batteries. A CMOS camera would be the obvious choice for a news crew in Baghdad.

    CMOS imagers or sensors are much cheaper to make than CCDs.
    That's why, today, digital cameras are so cheap and ubiquitous.
    If you were to look closely, you'll find that they all use CMOS.

    CCDs are more sensitive (in fact, much much more sensitive) to variations in light than CMOS sensors. So CCDs give you high-quality, low-noise images.

    The main reason for this difference lies in how they are made.

    CCDs do the light-to-voltage processing away from the chip.
    But CMOS sensors do it right there - on the chip face itself.

    This means CCD sensors are totally covered by photodiodes.
    So, every bit of the incoming light is hitting the imager.
    This translates to excellent signal fidelity.

    However, CMOS sensors have transistors sitting next to the photodiodes.
    So, a lot of light falls on the transistors which are actually there to process the signal. The result is a lot of unwelcome noise. (If you have a CMOS camera, look at the dark portions of the captured image. You will see splotches in those areas.)

    But, since the light information in a CCD system has to be read out (or transported) to processors elsewhere in the camera, CCD cameras consume more power than CMOS cameras. (Depending on the sensor size, CCDs might eat over a 100 times more power than CMOS systems.)

    (The flip side is that, in extremely low-light scenarios, CMOS cameras are 'better' than CCD cameras. Where CCDs see nothing, CMOS sensors will give you at least a silhouetted, blurry image. But no self-respecting broadcaster would go anywhere near that hazy image unless it happens to be the only one of, say, Prince Charles in drag.)

    In short:

    CCDs = high-quality imaging, greater light sensitivity, more pixels (higher resolution), higher prices
    CCDs would be the first choice in demanding applications like high-speed motion capture, broadcast television, industrial imaging and analysis, science and medical labs, specialized digital photography, video for transfer to film, etc.

    CMOS = lower-quality imaging, less light sensitivity, fewer pixels (lower resolution), lower light sensitivity, lower prices
    CMOS would the first choice for CCTV cameras, security cameras, webcams and higher-end videoconferencing, PDA cameras, mobile phone cameras, most office scanners, fax imagers, cameras in your car, biometric scanners and, yes, toy cameras :p

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    PS: CMOS technology is slowly but steadily catching up with CCDs.
    Pretty soon, they will find a relocation solution for the transistors.
    And then, the CCD era will either fade away or be replaced by a better imaging technology.
     
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    thx for the summary oldhand. I kinda got generalized understanding of the 2 sensors but u explained the background part. I only have 1 'hmmm' left, that is, if CCD has more sensor surface area, then why it has less low light sensitivity than CMOS, shouldn't it be the other way around?

    Also in my generalized knowledge of the 2 sensors, CMOS is 'faster' than CCD, and faster (ISO) is getting more appreciation by the days than color richness since CMOS is making decent progress on the color part as well. Same analogy i apply to photography as taken from my badminton principles, i alway said faster or having more speed is better than better technique and stroke skills. Same goes photography, fast lens, high ISO, are much desired features in a camera.
     
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    Careful, careful... the 'difference' you see is different :p

    The larger sensor area in a CCD doesn't help improve its sensitivity by much.
    Until the incoming light reaches a certain intensity, CCDs remain quite dead.
    That's why CCDs are not of much use in extremely low light.

    However, do note that CCDs are more sensitive to variations in light.
    In other words, a subtle change in lighting in a well-lit scene would be picked up and faithfully rendered by CCD imagers while it would pass unnoticed by CMOS imagers.

    In sum:
    Given a well-lit scene, CCDs provide a higher-fidelity image than CMOS sensors. (And I will restrict this opinion to devices in my sector - broadcast.)

    I wouldn't risk an opinion on imagers for still photography.
    The most complicated thing I own is a Canon EOS-1000D.
    And I don't know enough to even think outside 'Auto' :eek:
     
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    Whoa, I'm going to just stop talking for a minute.

    Oldhand, is broadcasting in your line of work? :)
     
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    i thot broadcast management involve deciding what us peons like to watch, ex. programming and marketing:D
     
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    Obviously Oldhand would know best of us so no argument there, but what I've noticed is the CMOS sensor where introduced in the high-end consumer cams first. If I take a randow low- to middle-end consumer cam and check the specs usually they are still equiped with a ccd sensor(?). Videocameras that is to avoid confusion.
     
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    ccd. no wonder is still my dream to have one of this. :D
     
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    3 CCDs = costlier than 1 CMOS chip
    1 CCD = cheaper than 1 CMOS chip

    Cheap camera = single CCD :D
     
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