05-07-2009, 02:45 AM #18
You should send me a couple of racket/string combos that you know are good. I'll string them at the same tension(s) you request, send back, and you tell me if there's a difference.
well, i hope i will in the future. i want to try the same experiment myself. when i am done with mine, i can send one to you.
05-07-2009, 02:54 AM #19
1) Better technique
2) Better timing
3) More consistent pulls
4) Better clamping skills
5) Better starting knots and tie-offs
6) Minimal string twisting
Which all leads to a more consistent, uniform, string tension across the racket.
You'd need to watch someone string to start and understand but even then, you'll probably miss a lot because the stringer is going too fast for you to fully see what they are doing.
Ideally, you'd need to spend about an hour or two with an experienced stringer and have him/her string a racket, slowly, you watch, he/she goes step-by-step, you ask questions. Then you string the same racket while they watch and give you commentary.
05-07-2009, 03:01 AM #20
I forgot to mention, at tensions of 22lbs. ECP and lower, a good/bad string job is not so apparent. At 23-27lbs. ECP, it's significantly more apparent. At 28lbs. and above, there can be a huge difference.
Also, the string used can be a huge difference. For instance, I strung up a couple of APACS Tantrum 200s, one with BG66 at 28lbs. In order to get the same (as close as possible) feel/crispness on BG65, I had to string it at 32lbs.
Another example is the racket, some are better at holding tension than others but this is minor compared to the string differences.
05-07-2009, 05:33 AM #21
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05-07-2009, 06:08 AM #24
...of course, same everything unless otherwise stated (we have gone through this on BC in so many posts; I have posted at least 50 times some thing to the effect: ceteris paribus, all else being equal, unless stated otherwise, everything else is equal... That's the reason why I stopped visiting/posting on BC, too much redundancy).
OK, back to the two stringers, one being good (consistent), one being bad (inconsistent), everything else being equal, assuming they do their respective jobs, one stringing consistently and the other stringing inconsistently will produce different results that are noticeable to an intermediate to advanced player.
05-07-2009, 06:18 AM #25
There can be too many scenarios in the original question. The focus should on the consistency. If you string consistently, the string pattern will be uniform which leads to better playability and will minimize stress on the racket for a longer life span.
Actually, a "bad" stringer can string well if he/she is consistently inconsistent. How? Whatever the stringer does wrong, if he/she continues to do it wrong the same way, it's consistent. The desired tension may not be achieved (will be lower) but the tension will be uniform...
...an example: this bad stringer only uses one floating clamp to clamp the strings and this floating clamps slips. Each pull looses about 3lbs. due to slippage and the stringer's inability to crank/thread/tighten the string/etc... effectively. However, if this stringer uses this bad technique and clamping each time, consistently, the string job will be consistent. So let's assume the racket is supposed to be strung at 30lbs. crank. This stringer's job will be about 27lbs. and a good one, just not 30lbs.
So, one needs to recognize these things and compensate. In the case of the stringer above, he/she would need to string at 33lbs. to get the actual 30lbs. desired.
05-07-2009, 06:37 AM #26
05-07-2009, 09:15 AM #27
I would agree with Sir DinkALot. Also, just to add 1 more point about ES5Pro. From what I was taught about ES5pro and what I have done with other machines. The advantage of ECP machine is consistency. Given an inexperienced stringer is well taught and just follow all the instruction point by point, the inexperienced stringer will produce a string job close to 95% of an instructor level stringer. It is just like training a robot to string a racquet. Only difference in this case is the speed and some very minor details which the instructor don't even notice they are doing. Sorry Kwun, the best thing to do is to have a string fest (and beer fest too) at a club in N. Cal or S. Cal. Let's just have fun stringing and get to know what you and other do and you might see some difference.
Actually, I will propose to the evil empire office in torrrance to sponsor a string fest in OCBC. What do you think?
05-07-2009, 07:29 PM #28
This thread makes me want to get Tennishead 2086.
I only have HQ table top stringing machine. After I measure the horizontal bar to racket shaft its only 17cm height. Will plan to modify the height to allow Tennishead on it
05-17-2009, 11:45 PM #29
this makes me wonder if there's a placebo effect with string jobs.
let's say person A had two of the exact same racket, and took one racket to his local stringer who has been stringing for 5+ years (with relatively good praise coming from the locals), and took his other racket to alan kakinami, under the guise of an inexperienced stringer who is just in his first week. after testing, person A comes to the conclusion that alan kakinami's string job was of poorer quality. is it because his mind thought that because alan was an inexperienced stringer, he would automatically produce a bad job? or was alan's string job at that point just bad?
let's say that if two excellent stringers, who learned from the same person and have years of experience under their belt along with good track records of consistency, strung two identical rackets for the same person, and this person preferred stringer A's job over B's. let's also say that the general population prefers A's jobs over B's. what separates them? if two experienced stringers were given a 30-point checklist for the definition of the "perfect" string job, why is it that someone would believe one to be "better" than the other?
my belief is that amongst good stringers, there are no better or worse jobs, just different. it all goes back to the age-old answer that it all depends on what you're used to and feel comfy with. a person may grow accustomed and used to a poor string job over time, and when his racket gets strung by a "better" stringer, may dislike his new string job simply because he's not used to it. the same can be said with two experienced stringers that receive good praise from their customers.
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