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  • China

    21 12.00%
  • Indonesia

    49 28.00%
  • England

    2 1.14%
  • Korea

    48 27.43%
  • Denmark

    18 10.29%
  • Malaysia

    36 20.57%
  • Hong Kong

    1 0.57%
  • Japan

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    LOL.....I thought you are sick and tired of that "DOMINATING" thread??
    Well, sort of, but hey, it's fun 'playing' with her, y'know.
    I'm trying to use reverse psychology tactics here.

    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    CHN's homecourt support will be a double-edge sword: they can relish in the homecrowd support or they can feel the pressure..
    The ever-so-great Badminton Empire of China, with OG-hardened shuttlers, crumble under pressure? I don't think so, Mister.

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    I think Denmark has a very good chance.

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    Default Well..more on the KOR vs. CHN scenario..

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
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    The ever-so-great Badminton Empire of China, with OG-hardened shuttlers, crumble under pressure? I don't think so, Mister.
    ..if based on last yr's OG result:
    MS-CHN vs. MAS, CHN won
    WS-All CHN affair
    WD-CHN vs. KOR, CHN won
    MD-CHN vs. INA, INA won
    XD-KOR vs. INA...CHN, 3rd place

    MS and WS events, i expect CHN to win both. However, the Doubles events are up for grab as CHN only won 1 out 3 events. Between CHN & KOR, I do think KOR has the upper hand in the MD and XD events. Certainly, it's a 50-50 match in the WD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..then i foresee a very tight battle. Of course, KOR's only chance will come in all of the Doubles events (which i think are their strongest events). And if they can miraculously win the WD event vs. CHN, then watch out....get ready for narnia to start wooting it up in BC!!

    CHN's homecourt support will be a double-edge sword: they can relish in the homecrowd support or they can feel the pressure..
    Even if China WD lost to Korea, I doubt that CY/FHF will lost to any Korea doubles except JJS/LYD pair again. This is team event. CY/FHF had play team event too many times and had tons of experience. Meanwhile in Korea MD only LYD who had mental toughness for team events. His new partner will be nervous. LYD also had to play twice in MD and XD.

    He will had little rest cause I doubt the MS and WS event will be a long fight considering LHI and PSH didnot play for MS anymore.

    And LHJ will play twice in XD and WD. Mean while China can played ZB/MJ in XD and let YY all out in WD.

    Indonesia and Denmark had better chance to win against China than Korea win against CHina.

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    [quote=ctjcad;1138054 Certainly, it's a 50-50 match in the WD.[/quote]

    Not 50-50.

    DJ/YY and LHY/LKW had met 11 times with 7-4 for China pair. But for the last seven meeting, the China pair won 6 to 1.

    And not to mention turn out ZB/MJ had won against LYD/LHJ three times in a row this year in XD.

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    For runner up: I do think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik and Vita Marissa play for Indonesia. And no injuries .

    Korea-Indonesia: Indonesia 3 points from WS,MS and MD

    Indonesia-Malaysia: 3 points from WS,WD and XD

    Indonesia-Denmark: TOugh -tough play. Ind will win WD and Den will win WS. But Ind had edge 55-45 in XD , MS and MD.

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    Indonesia's leading the vote.
    ermm..

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    Hope Malaysia can make it to the final. Lee Chong Wei all the way!

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    I think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik Hidayat back to the squad and Vita Marissa also play for Indonesia.
    But for this time Korean better from Indonesia in all sector.

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    Default That's right..

    Quote Originally Posted by hcpoirot View Post
    Even if China WD lost to Korea, I doubt that CY/FHF will lost to any Korea doubles except JJS/LYD pair again. This is team event. CY/FHF had play team event too many times and had tons of experience. Meanwhile in Korea MD only LYD who had mental toughness for team events. His new partner will be nervous. LYD also had to play twice in MD and XD.

    He will had little rest cause I doubt the MS and WS event will be a long fight considering LHI and PSH didnot play for MS anymore.

    And LHJ will play twice in XD and WD. Mean while China can played ZB/MJ in XD and let YY all out in WD.
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by hcpoirot View Post
    Not 50-50.

    DJ/YY and LHY/LKW had met 11 times with 7-4 for China pair. But for the last seven meeting, the China pair won 6 to 1.

    And not to mention turn out ZB/MJ had won against LYD/LHJ three times in a row this year in XD.
    ..i'm just propping the KOR's chances, just for our KOR BCers..

    Tis true, Du Jing & Yu Yang have a better head to head record vs LHJ & LKW.
    But guess which non-CHN pair did Du Jing & Yu Yang lose to (not counting walkover) the whole yr, last yr??

    As for the XD, i thought Zheng Bo & Ma Jin are no longer playing together again? I thought Ma Jin has a new partner in Shen Ye??

    As for the MD, i thought JJS will come back in time and partner with LYD for the BAC and then continue on with the Sudirman Cup??

    OK, maybe i'm a bit of an optimist with that 50-50 percentage But my point is, KOR's chance, should they play vs. CHN in the Final, is through their Doubles pairs. And as far as i can see, the KOR's WD duo (LHJ & LKW) is their only legit pair who has a much better chance to beat Du Jing & Yu Yang (based on their recent success vs. CHN pairs & despite their losing overall record and recent 2 losses vs. Du Jing & Yu Yang).
    Quote Originally Posted by hcpoirot View Post
    For runner up: I do think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik and Vita Marissa play for Indonesia. And no injuries .

    Korea-Indonesia: Indonesia 3 points from WS,MS and MD

    Indonesia-Malaysia: 3 points from WS,WD and XD

    Indonesia-Denmark: TOugh -tough play. Ind will win WD and Den will win WS. But Ind had edge 55-45 in XD , MS and MD.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tjepy View Post
    I think Indonesia will had the best chance if Taufik Hidayat back to the squad and Vita Marissa also play for Indonesia.
    But for this time Korean better from Indonesia in all sector.
    ..ya know, as for all this talk about Taufik and/or Vita joining the national team, again, for the Sudirman Cup, how sure are you guys it will happen?
    What if they don't join the team? What happens to all the "3 wins vs. this team or that team scenarios" for team INA? Or are they going to rely on Sony and/or Simon? Also, by asking and expecting Taufik and Vita and others to be back, doesn't it sound a bit desperate on their part? How long will they employ & keep relying on Taufik to play?
    I think it's time to move on and rely on the young players...
    Last edited by ctjcad; 04-05-2009 at 01:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    Tis true, Du Jing & Yu Yang have a better head to head record vs LHJ & LKW. But guess which non-CHN pair did Du Jing & Yu Yang lose to (not counting walkover) the whole yr, last yr??

    As for the XD, i thought Zheng Bo & Ma Jin are no longer playing together again? I thought Ma Jin has a new partner in Shen Ye??
    I know, DJ/YY lost to LHJ/LKW in last year AE I will never forget that ZB is still playing with MJ, they are just splitted for temporary. Like what happened to Cai/Fu last year. In ABC, ZYW is also not paired with XZB in XD, instead, she is paired with a new youngster Chai Biao in XD Actually, I think that ZYW/ZTT pair is stronger than DJ/YY. But China has no worries in WD because it has 6 top WD pairs in the first team. LYB really has to some ways to improve the MD because he can't only rely on CY/FHF.

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    Default ^^I knew you could answer it..^^

    ..but that quiz question was for hcpoirot to investigate (after all, his screen-name is a moniker for a well known fictional detective character).....

    So, tell me, besides KOR, which team do you think will pose any "threat" to team CHN??..

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    who ever team to go the final with china,just can be runner up,coz China still to strong for another team,ecspecialy in woman sector,thats the problem for foreign country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..but that quiz question was for hcpoirot to investigate (after all, his screen-name is a moniker for a well known fictional detective character).....

    So, tell me, besides KOR, which team do you think will pose any "threat" to team CHN??..
    Hmm, actually all teams could also pose 'threats' to China because we cannot predict anything happen in the future. Maybe LD, CY/FHF injured in a training session? Then LD is replaced by experienced CJ or younsters like CL, WK and etc. If CY or FHF, either one get injured, then China MD boat will be sinked in the Sudirman Cup I know many people will say they all won't injured because they have to fight for Sudirman, but who knows? We are not the one control the fate.

    Indonesia
    I think Indonesia might only have the capability to prevent China from winning the MS and MD in the mixed team event. Indonesia has Taufik, Sony in MS and MK/HS in MD. I could see Indonesia's XD performance has dropped in recent tournaments. For WS and WD, China is too strong for them. Even Maria is also not in her top form.

    Denmark
    Actually I thought before Denmark might become this year runner-up. Their strongest MS is Peter Gade followed by Joachim. PG has a little influence to China MS but I could say the percentage is only 20-30% if LD is in top form and does not suffer from injury.

    For WS, Tine might create an upset depends on how the Chinese WS perform. I could say Tine v Chinese WS, the chances she could win is 50-50. So, good luck to Tine. Hope she has recovered from the injury she suffered in AE final. For WD and XD, the percentage of influence is 5% and 4% respectively. Don't forget Denmark is also very strong in MD especially Boe/Mogenson who performed excellent recently.

    Malaysia
    For MS, the only one who can prevent LD is LCW. For WS and WD, I am certain that Malaysia can't steal it from China. Malaysia WD, CEH/WPT has improved a lot and they progressed into the finals of a few tournaments after the OG 08 but it was because China's main players were still relaxing by that time. As long as DJ/YY, ZYW/ZTT, CS/ZYL are still in the team, I think no one can prevent China from dominating the WD. For WS, no need to say so much as I am certain China will take it.

    MD is the weakest area of China. KKK/TBH and the Fuzzy pair have a chance to steal from it. For XD, Malaysia stands a 70-30 chance to win.

    Hong Kong
    I think HK could only steal WS title from China. With ZM, Yippy, and WC, their chances are same with Tine, 50-50 to win over China. However, I think China won't let anyone steals their WS title.

    Japan
    Recent famous Japanese MS is Sho Sasaki and the youngster Kenichi Tago. Sho Shasaki is good but not as good as LD, don't think he can beat LD. After a few years, Japan's WS seems like moving backward. I have no idea what was happened to Eriko Hirose (a very famous girl that I could remember her well since 2007). Nowadays, the only Japanese WS player always caught my sight is Ai Goto Japan's MD is good also and for WD, if the seniors are back on court, they could create 'threats' to China in WD (Note: Create threats only, I don't think they can will over China ) For XD, China will prevail

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    Default ^^Good takes..^^

    ..thanks for the analysis..

    Couple of comments:
    INA - MS, WS and MD are up in the air. Especially looking at their recent injuries.

    DEN - they could be the other team vying for a Final spot. If they do indeed reach the Final round, it all depends on the WS & XD events.
    Quote Originally Posted by suetyan View Post
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    I know many people will say they all won't injured because they have to fight for Sudirman, but who knows?We are not the one control the fate.
    ...
    ..so, who is in control of their fate???..hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..so, who is in control of their fate???..hmmm
    Someone has the highest position in the world that we are unable to see 'HIM'

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    My prediction:
    China>Denmark>Korea>Malaysia>Indonesia>England>Jap an>Hongkong,China

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