Who will be the Sudirman Cup 2009 runner-up?

**AlanY** · 04-14-2009, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Zabee

all teams expect china stands a chance to finish 2nd... but i see Denmark & Korea as serious rivals to Malaysia this time around

No, not all teams stand a chance to finish 2nd. absolutely nonsense! Mongolia, Luxembourg and Australia just to name a few that will be in the tournament and they have a combined total of ZERO chance to win, 2nd, 3rd or 4th ....., full stop.

**Zabee** · 04-14-2009, 08:31 AM

sry.. forgot to mention the teams which being place in Group A ......of cos teams like Mongolia , Australiab won't stand a chance..

**fastdrop** · 04-14-2009, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by AlanY

No, not all teams stand a chance to finish 2nd. absolutely nonsense! Mongolia, Luxembourg and Australia just to name a few that will be in the tournament and they have a combined total of ZERO chance to win, 2nd, 3rd or 4th ....., full stop.

Only the countries in Group 1 can compete for the cup. The countries in Group 2, 3 and 4 will compete for promotion to the next higher group.

**ctjcad** · 04-14-2009, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by AlanY

make it 1 out of 6, i rest my case.

..and before i also rest my case, any idea or answer to my 2nd question?? Or if there's no answer, i assume only the KOR pair (LHJ & LKW) can be considered the only (non-CHN) main challenger to the CHN's WD pairs??..

**phaarix** · 04-14-2009, 03:42 PM

I think either Denmark or Korea... They both are pretty balanced (with 1 or 2 weak points - but every country bar China has weak points in their squad :P).

**ctjcad** · 04-14-2009, 03:53 PM

KOR vs. CHN:
MS - PSH vs. LD.........................LD in a likely white-wash
WS - HHY vs. any CHN player........uuummm..
WD - LHJ & LKW vs. any CHN pair.........45-55 (KOR pair has had success vs. CHN pairs recently)
MD - JJS & LYD vs. CY & FHF....................55-45 (CHN might upset KOR because JJS hasn't played competitively in a while and they're playing in their own backyard)
XD - LYD & LHJ vs. HHB & YY.......50-50

DEN vs. CHN:
MS - Gade vs. LD........................I think only bananakid would cheer for Gade..

WS - Tine vs. any CHN player........45-55
WD - Kristiansen & Juhl vs. any CHN pair......another likely white-wash
MD - Boe & Mogensen vs. CY & FHF............50-50
XD - Laybourn & Juhl vs. HHB & YY.............40-60

Percentage wise, KOR seems to come out just ahead of DEN..

**nhatduongchi** · 04-14-2009, 04:21 PM

Do they always play in this sequence = MS, WS, WD, MD, XD ??

**sumbadder** · 04-14-2009, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

..and before i also rest my case, any idea or answer to my 2nd question?? Or if there's no answer, i assume only the KOR pair (LHJ & LKW) can be considered the only (non-CHN) main challenger to the CHN's WD pairs??..

they are. plain and simple.

**ctjcad** · 04-14-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by nhatduongchi

Do they always play in this sequence = MS, WS, WD, MD, XD ??

..check these:
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/...5F7D&match=898
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/...5F7D&match=899

It'll affect the order more, if say, CHN plays Yu Yang in 2 events and/or KOR also plays Lee Hyo Jung in 2 events, which are likely..

Originally Posted by sumbadder

they are. plain and simple.

..that question was exclusively for AlanY to answer..

**Zabee** · 04-15-2009, 07:32 AM

well if that particular player "enroll" in two events , then thier physical condition & mental toughness will play an vital part ...

**AlanY** · 04-15-2009, 07:43 AM

[quote=ctjcad;1139381Also, which other non-CHN pair(s) can claim to have the same amt of record/result, at least for this yr, as the KOR pair of LHJ & LKW??..[/quote]
ok, the MAS WD being the world no 1 should have the chance to take a point from CHN. to make it counted both LCW and the MD needed to get the 2 points and I say the chance is 30% at best.

**abedeng** · 04-15-2009, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by phaarix

I think either Denmark or Korea... They both are pretty balanced (with 1 or 2 weak points - but every country bar China has weak points in their squad :P).

China has weak pts too, their MD. Just not as badly exposed as the rest.

**abedeng** · 04-15-2009, 08:31 AM

Korea is the only team with a realistic chance to try and topple China. Uphill task but if all their doubles partnerships click ......... it could work. It happened before in 2003, although that one major pt came from LHI's defeat of Chen Hong.

The rest of the teams could only be expected to win at most 2 pts from China.

**Zabee** · 04-15-2009, 08:36 AM

Ko SH & Yoo YS is 1 of the Korean pairs (minus gender ) that i find quite decent to watch apart from Lee YD & Jung JS & Lee YD & Lee HJ

**ctjcad** · 04-15-2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by AlanY

ok, the MAS WD being the world no 1 should have the chance to take a point from CHN.
...

..again, as i asked, what is it based on?? Have you looked at their record this yr? For one, i can tell you there's another (non-CHN) pair, other than the KOR #1 WD pair, which has done better than the current WD WR#1, this yr.
Please read my question again, i'm only asking for this yr's record/stats; not last yr's or the yr before.

**phaarix** · 04-15-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by abedeng

China has weak pts too, their MD. Just not as badly exposed as the rest.

Maybe only against the other top few MD pairs in the world, but even then they can win that one on a good day. But yes that would definitely be the one that other teams would have to take!

**abedeng** · 04-16-2009, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

..again, as i asked, what is it based on?? Have you looked at their record this yr? For one, i can tell you there's another (non-CHN) pair, other than the KOR #1 WD pair, which has done better than the current WD WR#1, this yr.
Please read my question again, i'm only asking for this yr's record/stats; not last yr's or the yr before.

Maybe AlanY was basing on their performance late last year, came close to beating a not so match fit Du Jing/Yu Yang in France.

Even the MAS girls knew that the WR1 came as a fluke of the BWF pts system. This is not to say that the girls are not among the best pairs in the world, but the fitness level and injury problems of Chin Eei Hui limited their progress. Against top CHN and KOR opposition in a highly competitive match, the MAS girls can only sustain 2 1/2 games.

Then again, looking at the progress of the last few months, it is extremely unlikely for any non-CHN pair to beat a CHN WD pair in the Sudirman Cup. TPE and KOR girls included.