Will Lee Chong Wei remain World No.1 until the 2012 OG?

**chris-ccc** · 04-13-2009, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Loh

Oh, so PAW Ranking Points is based entirely on BWF Ranking Points. If that's the case shan't we refer just to the official one instead of confusing ourselves?

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Perhaps our robin7 is the best BCer to advise LCW what tournaments to play/not to play. Post #163 (from robin7) is an excellent analysis.

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**Loh** · 04-13-2009, 03:03 AM

Originally Posted by koo_fan

This is very subjective, Uncle Loh.
I'd love to see him on the top, more than just being a current WR1. But a WR1 that would be remembered.

Of course it is, just like CHN wanting to capture all the badminton titles at the next Olympics!

**eaglehelang** · 04-13-2009, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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eaglehelang,

..............After it works, we can then apply it for the BWF World Ranking usage.

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Hiyaaa, I asking whether will be deducted or not lah and how they divide the Team events points, not whether same or not with PAW points

. To compare2 with PAW points, still too complicating, can <fainted>. PAW points I think doesnt include Team Events like Sudirman, TC, Uber.

**eaglehelang** · 04-13-2009, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Loh

Oh, so PAW Ranking Points is based entirely on BWF Ranking Points. If that's the case shan't we refer just to the official one instead of confusing ourselves?

Correct, correct, this chris, hiyaa

**hhs1000** · 04-13-2009, 06:47 AM

Let me add some scientific spin into this discussion.

I believe most of you agree that LCW is at his peak now (100%). In badminton, below are the important attributes to be a successful player,
- Skill
- Speed
- Stamina
- Power
At this moment LCW has 100% for all the attribute. Where do you think LCW will be 3 years down the road. My take, with generous assumption as he is a Dato from Bolehland,
- Skill, still 100%
- Speed, 90% (for others I will give 80%)
- Stamina, 90% (for others, 70%)
- Power, 90% (for others, 70%).

Aggregate LCW's score in 2012 = 100%x90%x90%x90% = 72.9%. He will be about 73% of what he is today.

What is the chance for a 73% DLCW to still stay at the top ?. My take is 30%.

**chris-ccc** · 04-13-2009, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by eaglehelang

Hiyaaa, I asking whether will be deducted or not lah and how they divide the Team events points, not whether same or not with PAW points

. To compare2 with PAW points, still too complicating, can <fainted>. PAW points I think doesnt include Team Events like Sudirman, TC, Uber.

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Asking whether will be deducted or not, not whether same or not with PAW points

eaglehelang ,

You did not read the link that I sent you (see Post #160).
In that link, which is one of Sandy 's threads, robin7 asked the same question as you did.

OK, let's copy and paste the Q&A from Sandy 's thread, namely;
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=64511

Post #7

Originally Posted by robin7

Sandy, can u enlighten us what each column indicates?

Best10 - Literally the best 10 tournaments
Added - The latest tournament competed but not necessarily added?
10th - The lowest among the best 10 tournaments?
11th - The 11th best tournament?
Next Off - I really have no idea??!!

Post #8

Originally Posted by Sandy

Why not necessarily added ? I think it's important to see the last tournament's pts addition

Next Off, Points to be dropped for next PAW's Ranking released, in this case points of Malaysia Open SS 2008.

11th pts is the points would be filled in best-10 when next added pts < Next Off Pts.

Post #9

Originally Posted by robin7

Suppose I take kevinboy for example,
Best 10: 40989 (Before Malaysia Open 2009)

Scenario (1)
Next off: 7800 (Malaysia Open 2008)
11th: 1050
Malaysia Open 2008: 810

Best10 = 40989 - 7800 + 1050
Latest: 810 (X)
Added: 1050 (Y)
Note: 7800 will be deducted, 1050 will be added since it is higher than 810.

Scenario (2)
Next off: 7800 (Malaysia Open 2008)
11th: 1050
Malaysia Open 2008: 5040

Best10 = 40989 - 7800 + 5040
Latest: 5040 (X)
Added: 5040 (Y)
Note: 7800 will be deducted, 5040 will be added since it is higher than 1050.

Scenario (3)
Next off: 7800 (Malaysia Open 2008)
11th: 1050
Malaysia Open 2008: 9200

Best10 = 40989 - 7800 + 9200
Latest: 9200 (X)
Added: 9200 (Y)
Note: 7800 will be deducted, 9200 will be added since it is higher than 1050.

Please tell me, your "Added" column refers to Added (X) or Latest (Y)?

From your previous reply, I guess it is Added (X).

Post #10

Originally Posted by Sandy

No, "Added" points refers to latest results (Y)

I just want to sat "11th" pts will replace "Next Off" pts to be counted in "Best-10" pts if the "Added" pts less than "11th" pts (sorry not "Next off" pts), in case "Next Off" pts bigger than "11th" pts.

In other words,
(1) ranking points are added from tournaments played in the last 52 weeks
(2) if more than 10 tournaments are played in the last 52 weeks, then the best 10 ranking points shall be added. The 11th lowest value shall be dropped.

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**chris-ccc** · 04-13-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by hhs1000

Let me add some scientific spin into this discussion.

I believe most of you agree that LCW is at his peak now (100%). In badminton, below are the important attributes to be a successful player,
- Skill
- Speed
- Stamina
- Power

At this moment LCW has 100% for all the attribute. Where do you think LCW will be 3 years down the road. My take, with generous assumption as he is a Dato from Bolehland,
- Skill, still 100%
- Speed, 90% (for others I will give 80%)
- Stamina, 90% (for others, 70%)
- Power, 90% (for others, 70%).

Aggregate LCW's score in 2012 = 100%x90%x90%x90% = 72.9%. He will be about 73% of what he is today.

What is the chance for a 73% DLCW to still stay at the top ?. My take is 30%.

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hhs1000 ... Your spin is based on:
- Skill, remaining at 100%
- Speed, dropping to 90%
- Stamina, dropping to 90%
- Power, dropping to 90%

What if we have the following:
- Skill, increased by 30%
- Speed, dropped by 10%
- Stamina, dropped by 10%
- Power, dropped by 10%

The aggregate LCW's score in 2012 would roughly be remaining at 100% of what he is today.

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**limsy** · 04-13-2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Pemuda

Beside the pocket dictionary, you may need to invest in a calculator as well.
CL making his way closer and closer to LCW???

Ok, what is CL's ranking now?
Take that and minus LCW's current ranking?
Now if that is considered as getting closer and closer to LCW, you may as well say David Snider at #92 is also inching closer and closer to LCW at #1.

Anyway, I wont be surprise to see certain members who are 'thick' and will jump onto the bandwagon agreeing with your theory that CL is indeed getting closer and closer to LCW.

closer?
looks like the advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding the word 'closer'
IF cl is wr 120 last week,and he is wr 100 this week
are he closer to lcw in term of wr compare to last week?

i think the student that know how to minus 120 and 100

know the answer

**Loh** · 04-13-2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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hhs1000 ... Your spin is based on:
- Skill, remaining at 100%
- Speed, dropping to 90%
- Stamina, dropping to 90%
- Power, dropping to 90%

What if we have the following:
- Skill, increased by 30%
- Speed, dropped by 10%
- Stamina, dropped by 10%
- Power, dropped by 10%

The aggregate LCW's score in 2012 would roughly be remaining at 100% of what he is today.

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It baffles me how we can equate these qualities in terms of percentages.

Circumstances will change and affect one's performance, especially over such a lengthy period of time from now till 2012. An intangible quality called "FORM" can often derail all assumptions and predictions.

A less skilled but highly motivated player can create upsets as so often witnessed in the international badminton circuit. Not to mention the unpredictables like injury during a rally.

**chris-ccc** · 04-13-2009, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by limsy

closer?
looks like the advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding the word 'closer'

IF cl was wr 120 last week, and he is wr 100 this week
is he closer to lcw in terms of wr compared to last week?

i think the student that know how to minus 120 and 100

know the answer

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limsy, Your thoughts are logical and clear.

Yes, some think that 'closer' means 'next to'. Actually it means what you have posted, 'closer' means 'the difference between CL's and LCW's ranking positions is now smaller compared to last week'.
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**chris-ccc** · 04-13-2009, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Loh

It baffles me how we can equate these qualities in terms of percentages.

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It's only for challenging/questioning the percentages that hhs1000 has put forward.

It's not meant to be the only factors that will help/not help LCW.
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**chris-ccc** · 04-14-2009, 05:58 PM

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I am getting lots of mails telling me that Lee Chong Wei is not the World No.1 player. And they go on to say that LCW has not won major titles.

Perhaps many did not read the whole of this thread. The World No.1 title is given to Lee Chong Wei by BWF. It is based on ranking points won/earned by him. It is not based on the number of major titles won.

Perhaps it is better to change title of this thread. A more appropriate title could be:
"Will Lee Chong Wei remain as the BWF World No.1 until the 2012 OG?"

Originally Posted by chris@ccc

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could our moderators change the title of this thread to "Will Lee Chong Wei remain as BWF World No.1 until the 2012 OG?". This will prevent debates if we have our own concepts of who should be World No.1.

chris-ccc

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**Pemuda** · 04-14-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by limsy

closer?
looks like the advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding the word 'closer'
IF cl is wr 120 last week,and he is wr 100 this week
are he closer to lcw in term of wr compare to last week?

i think the student that know how to minus 120 and 100

know the answer

Oh dear limsy, your above posting confirms that we got serious issues with our education system. And I dont blame you because our system stifled students like yourself from thinking.

If your rationale is that Chen Long is now closer to LCW, then you may as well say that Blackburn Rovers is now closer to United in the PL standings.

And with Malaysia's new Fifa rankings, we can also conclude that we are now also 'closer' to the #1, Spain. And we should celebrate Malaysia Boleh style because we are now inching closer to Spain, the WR1. Malaysia Boleh!

**hcyong** · 04-15-2009, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Pemuda

Oh dear limsy, your above posting confirms that we got serious issues with our education system. And I dont blame you because our system stifled students like yourself from thinking.

If your rationale is that Chen Long is now closer to LCW, then you may as well say that Blackburn Rovers is now closer to United in the PL standings.

And with Malaysia's new Fifa rankings, we can also conclude that we are now also 'closer' to the #1, Spain. And we should celebrate Malaysia Boleh style because we are now inching closer to Spain, the WR1. Malaysia Boleh!

Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.

**limsy** · 04-15-2009, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by hcyong

Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.

no need to explain many times,his dictionary different from us

anyway,chris,my answer is most likely yes

**hcyong** · 04-15-2009, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by Loh

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So if a player manages to participate in more events, especially those that carry higher ranking points, and advance closer to the final, he will have more opportunities to score more WR points.

Since LCW is now WR1, it means he has scored the most number of official WR points thus far. Probably Lin Dan is WR2 (I haven't checked the latest WR positions) and although he has beaten LCW more times in SS and other recognized events, LD is not WR1 because he has not participated in more events as LCW had done.
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Loh, you are correct but you missed one important fact. Only the best 10 results are counted towards the ranking points. So, even if LCW took part in 50 tournaments in the past 52 weeks, only the 10 best are counted. Of course, if you take part in more tournaments, you are more likely to have higher points, because you will have more chances to bomb. Contrast that to a player to only took part in exactly 10 tournaments. If he bombed in two tournaments, those 2 are also included in his ranking points. But, in essence, LD only has to take part in 10 high-ranking tournaments per year and do consistently well in them to overtake LCW.

Let's say LD takes part in 13 tournaments in 2010 and he maintains his 2008/2009 form deep into 2010. In such a scenario, I will expect LCW to lose his top spot.

**Pemuda** · 04-15-2009, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by hcyong

Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.

We should look at it realistically rather than technically because Chen Long at WR100 is no where 'closer' than LCW at WR1. If you consider Chen Long's current WR as 'inching closer' to LCW then we may as well say Umut Cetin at WR#672 is also getting closer to LCW. In the same vein, we may as well pop out the champagne to celebrate our University Malaya, ranked 230 in the world is getting closer to Harvard University at #1.

I believe we should look or analyse things from a realistic angle because Chen Long at WR#100 is still a long way off LCW's WR#1.