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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    LD is a smart player otherwise he wouldn't have won so many majors, he knows his flaws for staying away and that erodes his sharpness and it showed in KO and AE. Unless you have inside information from the CHN camp which I don't, I am guessing that contrary to saying LD will play less, I think LD will play more until he gets back to game shape readiness. Starting with SO and training hard for TC, if LD meets LCW in TC, LD can actually gauge how close/far apart he is to LCW and train from there.
    For that inside info, we should ask "the expert" that knows everything about China..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..that's correct-a-mundo..

    BWF ruling:
    "2. Tournaments included in the World Rankings
    The Rankings are compiled from the results of tournaments that are sanctioned by the BWF (except Junior and Invitational tournaments) held over the last 52 week period. All tournaments eligible, under the criteria at the end of this section, are graded and the details of the grade are published in the International Calendar of Tournaments."

    Current 2010 WRs:
    http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/ra...ng.aspx?rid=80
    So this 52-wk period means 2009 points cannot carry over to 2010 and 2010 is start over beginning Jan 2010 i.e. just 2 months. If that is so, maintaining WR1 in 2011 and 2012 will be difficult for all the old folkies. And if Dato or LD select SS to play, if will even be more difficult to make it to WR1. So, if a good player like say, LD or LCW skip 2010, middle of 2011 and has a banner year from July 2011 to July 2012 earning WR1 status, will that means he will WR1 at OLY12?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    So this 52-wk period means 2009 points cannot carry over to 2010 and 2010 is start over beginning Jan 2010 i.e. just 2 months. If that is so, maintaining WR1 in 2011 and 2012 will be difficult for all the old folkies. And if Dato or LD select SS to play, if will even be more difficult to make it to WR1. So, if a good player like say, LD or LCW skip 2010, middle of 2011 and has a banner year from July 2011 to July 2012 earning WR1 status, will that means he will WR1 at OLY12?
    What it means that..for example..after AE 2010 ranking is counted..points of AE 2009 will be erased..so LCW will carry Swiss Open 2009 ranking points till AE 2010..after next week..LCW will caary ranking points onward and swiss Open 2009 will be erased..( in 2009 SO, I believe LCW was the winner)

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    Arrow LCW, LD, PG and TH are said to all retire together at the same time

    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post

    If LCW is far ahead in WR points, 2011 is 20 months away and let's see how many SS to play till then? Assuming LCW plays and wins some SS, that stretches his WR pts even further, and it is very difficult for the youngsters to catch him. Remember these youngsters are starting from low WR pts now.

    Rumba, Du, JOJ has potential but have not won anything yet, may bloom or may fizzle. I like Rumba, INA always produce top player and Rumba looks the one. Du and JOJ are okay, but no LD or PG. I would not be surprised Du goes away quietly like Gong Wei Jie. As for Tago, his credentials are impeccable blessed too he is young. Who is Guru, I thought you are referring to my malay guru a long time ago As for Choi, 26 yrs and still a qualifier, just got lucky catching a out-of-game-shape LD. Wan KO CL (good player, nota great player), I like to see him do it again, not a flash in the pan. Malaysia, sadly, there is no one coming up

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    The 2012 Olympic Games was the time-frame chosen because our 4 great 'Heavenly Kings', namely; LCW, LD, PG and TH, are said to all retire together at the same time after that event.

    Personally, I think these 4 kings could still hold on to their top positions (say top 8) at the 2012 Olympic Games, with LCW still holding the No.1 position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    What it means that..for example..after AE 2010 ranking is counted..points of AE 2009 will be erased..so LCW will carry Swiss Open 2009 ranking points till AE 2010..after next week..LCW will caary ranking points onward and swiss Open 2009 will be erased..( in 2009 SO, I believe LCW was the winner)
    So when the SO 2010 is done, LCW will lose all his ranking points from SO 2009, right? Because he's not in SO 2010, he doesn't add any points, so everyone catches up a little to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post
    So when the SO 2010 is done, LCW will lose all his ranking points from SO 2009, right? Because he's not in SO 2010, he doesn't add any points, so everyone catches up a little to him.
    Yes..then the next best 10 will be counted ( or best 9 plus one team event points from sudirman cup)....but he adds points from AE too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Yes..then the next best 10 will be counted ( or best 9 plus one team event points from sudirman cup)....but he adds points from AE too...
    But that's just the difference between this and last year's AE points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post
    But that's just the difference between this and last year's AE points.
    ..yes, that's correct. The time frame (of 52 weeks) goes along as each millisecond, each second, each minute, each hour, each day, each week, each month & each tournament pass by.
    So, technically, by the time the 2012 OG rolls around (as what the thread question is asking), BWF will only take the tourney pts accummulated from Summer of 2011 til Summer 2012 (or whenever is the last date for the 2012 WR Qualification) and rank the players/pairs.
    Last edited by ctjcad; 03-15-2010 at 09:07 PM.

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    and the debate still goes on>

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    Arrow It is exactly how our PAW ranking points in our BC PAW Games are done

    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post

    Yes..then the next best 10 will be counted ( or best 9 plus one team event points from sudirman cup)....but he adds points from AE too...

    Quote Originally Posted by madbad View Post

    But that's just the difference between this and last year's AE points.

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    It is exactly how our PAW ranking points in our BC PAW Games are done.

    Sandy is using exactly the same time-span, the same points awarded, the same addition/substraction of points to/from our PAWers, etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..yes, that's correct. The time frame (of 52 weeks) goes along as each millisecond, each second, each minute, each hour, each day, each week, each month & each tournament pass by.
    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    So, technically, by the time the 2012 OG rolls around (as what the thread question is asking), BWF will only take the tourney pts accummulated from Summer of 2011 til Summer 2012 (or whenever is the last date for the 2012 WR Qualification) and rank the players/pairs.

    Then LCW and LD can take a sabatical, pick-choose what to play and catch up from summer 2011 to summer 2012 to gain WR1 for OLY12.
    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Yes..then the next best 10 will be counted ( or best 9 plus one team event points from sudirman cup)....but he adds points from AE too...

    Thanks for the clarification. Then you are correct, the young guns if they peak at that time can challenge for WR1.
    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post
    and the debate still goes on>

    There is no debate, no arguments...just clarification from Rudy

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    Question Can LCW hold on to his World No.1 ranking until the 2012 Olympic Games?

    Quote Originally Posted by george@chongwei View Post

    and the debate still goes on>

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    Some might think/say that winning ONE tournament title is a short-term goal. In this context, LCW winning the 2010 All-England title is only one of his short-term goals.

    Some of us think that LCW is planning to be World No.1 (in terms of the BWF ranking points) until the 2012 Olympic Games. In this context, we need to examine LCW's performances in ALL tournaments until the 2012 Olympics.

    The comments here are related to whether LCW can hold on to his World No.1 ranking position until the 2012 Olympic Games.
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    so very interesting event is going to happen come 2012 olympic games, probably start of 2013 we expect some 'younger' players like chen long, chen jin, bcl, sdk, cwf, tcs ..... to take up the 1-10 world ranking spots......

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    Arrow Chen Long coming in to challenge Lee Chong Wei's WR No.1 ranking

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post

    so very interesting event is going to happen come 2012 olympic games, probably start of 2013 we expect some 'younger' players like chen long, chen jin, bcl, sdk, cwf, tcs ..... to take up the 1-10 world ranking spots......

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    Much was said about Chen Long coming in to challenge Lee Chong Wei's WR No.1 ranking in this thread.

    It started very early in this thread (as early as from Post #2).
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Much was said about Chen Long coming in to challenge Lee Chong Wei's WR No.1 ranking in this thread.

    It started very early in this thread (as early as from Post #2).
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    yes, i know that and this is a cycle where the champions will eventually becomes less competitive and retires as times goes by, then new players emerge....

    as for lcw to maintain no.1 until 2012, i agree with quite a number of bcers here that it is possible but beyond that it will be very hard and i think lcw himself also know...

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    Exclamation Watch out for Kenichi Tago

    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post

    as for lcw to maintain no.1 until 2012, i agree with quite a number of bcers here that it is possible but beyond that it will be very hard and i think lcw himself also know...

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    Here, we are talking about up to the 2012 OG.

    After the 2010 All-England Championships (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...2-8AE684721561), some have said that Kenichi Tago could be the one who could overtake Lee Chong Wei as world No.1.

    We shall watch out for Kenichi Tago. Here is his impressive 2010 All-England results:
    http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...1561&player=19
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Here, we are talking about up to the 2012 OG.

    After the 2010 All-England Championships (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sp...2-8AE684721561), some have said that Kenichi Tago could be the one who could overtake Lee Chong Wei as world No.1.

    We shall wait and watch out for [JPN] Kenichi Tago.
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    sad to say highly unlikely as there are more good or equivalent players as tago. and tago has to get pass them first and i don't think lyb would allow that as he has too many at stake!

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