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    Arrow Much respect has to be given to the CHN team

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post

    Hmmm, that should be sometime 3rd quarter of 2010 or early 2011. That's when the young guns like Chen Long et al really need to participate to move up the rankings. Now, still too early to tell but at the moment, looks like BCL may be losing a shot at his 3rd OG, with a young gun taking over his spot. He might even have to retire bf 2012 if his knees dont heal up well.

    Chen Jin with his chronic back injury doesnt look like the one to "challenge" the spot, either by design or strategy of Team China.

    As others have mentioned LD still can take over the WR#1 by participating more & winning titles & LCW doesnt do well in 2010 , why means LCW losing the spot sometime after August 2010? Since LD didnt participate in quite a number of SS this year, in 2010 there's no reduction of his points as he's starting on a new slate. Is that right?

    Another scenario would be the frenzy of participation starts after the start OG qualification, and if LD wins loads of titles from mid 2011 (barring any serious injuries, that kinda stuff). Then,LD would be back as WR#1 latest by end of 2011 ???
    So, in most ppl's minds should still be LD, CJ or CHina young gun will be 2nd in the running.

    Indonesia's Simon Santoso is still young but also has his injury problems, he may move up WR#3 or 4 but I dont foresee Simon able to gather the points needed to be WR#1.

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    Yes, much respect has to be given to the CHN team. We don't know what LYB is planning. They are what some termed them as "Sleeping Giants", because they are strong and powerful, but somehow taking it easy. Although participating in lesser tournaments recently, they are always serious at their training sessions and they are ready (on call) for action anytime.

    Some BCers mentioned that because of their lack of tournament participation, that they could regress. But I don't think so. This is because there are many higher standard professional players inside China. With their higher standard of players and programs, CHN could, without problems, grab the top ranking positions within a few tournaments.

    But this should not discourage the other nations. Other nations have their own programs as well.

    However, it still comes back to the 4 stronger nations, namely, DEN, INA, MAS and KOR to prepare to do battle with CHN.

    You'll never know. Suddenly another talented PG, TH and LCW could arrive at the scene, within a year or two.


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    1st,bwf rules say that world number one SHOULD have major title?
    NO
    2nd,are lcw is the world number one in bwf ranking system?
    YES
    3rd,does this thread asking/questioning about lcw world ranking position?
    YES
    4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?
    YES
    5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?
    YES

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    1st,bwf rules say that world number one SHOULD have major title?
    NO
    2nd,are lcw is the world number one in bwf ranking system?
    YES
    3rd,does this thread asking/questioning about lcw world ranking position?
    YES
    4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?
    YES
    5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?
    YES
    Your reasoning in 4 and 5 don't work.

    If it did, anything related to Chong Wei's rank would be within the ambit of this thread's title. For instance: the people who devised the ranking system.

    This thread poses a direct question:
    Will Chong Wei retain his current rank until London 2012?

    If you must dissect the (BWF Ranking) System, please do so elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Your reasoning in 4 and 5 don't work.

    If it did, anything related to Chong Wei's rank would be within the ambit of this thread's title. For instance: the people who devised the ranking system.

    This thread poses a direct question:
    Will Chong Wei retain his current rank until London 2012?

    If you must dissect the (BWF Ranking) System, please do so elsewhere
    erm,u mean:lcw world number 1 ranking have nothing to do with bwf world ranking system?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post
    Hmmm, that should be sometime 3rd quarter of 2010 or early 2011. That's when the young guns like Chen Long et al really need to participate to move up the rankings. Now, still too early to tell but at the moment, looks like BCL may be losing a shot at his 3rd OG, with a young gun taking over his spot. He might even have to retire bf 2012 if his knees dont heal up well.

    Chen Jin with his chronic back injury doesnt look like the one to "challenge" the spot, either by design or strategy of Team China.

    As others have mentioned LD still can take over the WR#1 by participating more & winning titles & LCW doesnt do well in 2010 , why means LCW losing the spot sometime after August 2010? Since LD didnt participate in quite a number of SS this year, in 2010 there's no reduction of his points as he's starting on a new slate. Is that right?

    Another scenario would be the frenzy of participation starts after the start OG qualification, and if LD wins loads of titles from mid 2011 (barring any serious injuries, that kinda stuff). Then,LD would be back as WR#1 latest by end of 2011 ???
    So, in most ppl's minds should still be LD, CJ or CHina young gun will be 2nd in the running.
    Indonesia's Simon Santoso is still young but also has his injury problems, he may move up WR#3 or 4 but I dont forsee Simon able to gather the points needed to be WR#1.
    It's quite unlikely that China will bank its Olympic fortunes on Chen Long or any other second-rung player now on the international circuit.

    Chen Long is hardly a great player. Nothing in his (current) game shows great promise. His smashes, blocks, footwork, retrieving and net-play are only a few shades above ordinary - and his drops, especially from the backhand corner, are terrible.

    I would imagine that China has another set of players waiting in the wings. With the Olympics well over three years away, it makes no sense to be prematurely pushing them into the competitive arena. As we speak, the CBA sports factory is probably at work moulding, equipping and polishing these players for the rigours ahead.

    Of course, if Lin Dan can sustain his Beijing game until London, he will lead the China brigade. If not, China will ruthlessly push him aside. By then, they will have plenty of alternatives and will also have too much at stake to rely on anyone but the best. After all, despite the MS, WS and WD golds, the Beijing result was not the one China wanted.

    It follows that, in this drive to London, world rankings are at best a desirable statistic. It beats me how China's prospects in 2012 (or, for that matter, in any prestigious event) would be either brightened or clouded by having or not having a World No.1 in its ranks.

    His rank didn't help Lee Chong Wei at Beijing.
    It's unlikely to help him at London either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    Your reasoning in 4 and 5 don't work.

    If it did, anything related to Chong Wei's rank would be within the ambit of this thread's title. For instance: the people who devised the ranking system.

    This thread poses a direct question:
    Will Chong Wei retain his current rank until London 2012?

    If you must dissect the (BWF Ranking) System, please do so elsewhere
    Well......our thread starter did discuss some on how the BWF ranking system works,and hazarded a little humor, which was misunderstood.

    Discussion on the calculation of WR points for sure will happen as our chris@ccc also posed the question on who can challenge LCW's WR#1 ranking. Perhaps should ask again the thread starter as to what else he wants to discuss pertaining to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    erm,u mean:lcw world number 1 ranking have nothing to do with bwf world ranking system?
    You didn't get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    ...................(and paragraphs above)

    It follows that, in this drive to London, world rankings are at best a desirable statistic. It beats me how China's prospects in 2012 (or, for that matter, in any prestigious event) would be either brightened or clouded by having or not having a World No.1 in its ranks.

    His rank didn't help Lee Chong Wei at Beijing.
    It's unlikely to help him at London either
    That is not the main points of what our chris@ccc wanted to discuss, as you know very well. That's why I'm trying to keep from that sector of discussion & focus on the "gathering WR points" business.
    If you've read my earlier post, you'll know I was also wondering why he wanted to discuss this since to me it wouldnt matter much - as long as WR#1 or WR#2 is fine for LCW.

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    Default How about..

    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
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    My answer to the thread question is Yes. the most significant reason is, if he keep improving. If he does, he could win major titles, as a complement of his WR1 title
    ..if 'yes' is the answer, how about taking into consideration:
    1. Other improving players. Aren't there other shuttlers competing with LCW?
    2. Possible injury/injuries or other unforeseen factors? If Dato LCW keeps playing til the 2012 OG, will he go injury-free?
    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    It is not that LCW remaining as WR#1 is important to me.

    Our Badminton players and I had a discussions at makan after one of our club sessions. Many of our players are Malaysians. We started talking about whether LCW can remain as World No.1 until the next Olympic Games.

    So I created this thread to check what our worldwide BCers think.


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    ..then you should invite your other badminton players friends to chime in (or register as members of this forum, if they haven't), in this thread also?..We'd like to read what they think about Dato LCW's chances..Worst comes to worst, if they think very optimistically, we have Pemuda to entertain them..
    Last edited by ctjcad; 04-11-2009 at 11:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    This thread is not about how BWF Ranking System works.
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    Glad to note that this thread is now back on track about whether LCW can still be WR1 until the 2012 OG and not about the BWF ranking system or how it works.

    Hopefully, there will be no more flip flopping between LCW & how the ranking system works.

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
    Of course we are talking about the BWF Ranking System here

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    Arrow Chen Long making his way closer and closer to Lee Chong Wei

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    The match between Chen Long and Bao Chunlai for the Mens Singles title at the 2009 Badminton Asia Championships) has been completed.

    Quite a close result:
    Bao Chunlai [4] [CHN] defeated [CHN] Chen Long 16-21, 21-10, 21-16 in 55 mins.

    Although Chen Long did not win, he continues to gain more ranking points to improve his World Ranking position. From earlier posts, some have said that CL could be the one to topple LCW's World No.1 position. We are now seeing CL making his way closer and closer to LCW.

    CL might be able defeat BCL by the end of this year, but IMHO, he is still way below the standards of LCW and LD. Don't think CL could be World No.1 when the 2012 Olympic Games arrives.

    But let's wish CL all the best as he is improving in his rankings slowly, but surely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    But let's wish CL all the best as he is improving in his rankings slowly, but surely.
    I got mix feelings for that. excited to see he develop and, hope Chong wei will cope with pressures from the youngsters that will catch him up.Chaiyo! Chong Wei

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc;1144534[...
    Although Chen Long did not win, he continues to gain more ranking points to improve his World Ranking position. From earlier posts, some have said that CL could be the one to topple LCW's World No.1 position. We are now seeing CL making his way closer and closer to LCW.
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    Huh?????
    Chen Long is getting closer to Lee Chong Wei?????

    If Chen Long (at No.100) is getting closer to Chong Wei, surely Przemyslaw Wacha (at No.10) must be rubbing noses with Chong Wei

    Heard of Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka, Dmytro Zavadsky or Sven Eric Kastens?
    Going by this logic, these players are closer to Chong Wei than Chen Long.

    In ranking terms, Chen Long is as close to Lee Chong Wei as the Eiffel Tower is to the Great Wall of China. Even the retired Chen Hong and Chen Yu are way ahead of Chen Long!

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    Hey relax guys....
    The world rank is not the topic here....
    The topic is will chong wei remain No 1 till OG 2012...
    That's a long way to go....
    Anything could happen....
    Injuries, food poisoning hehehe and many more.....
    By that time also LCW is about 30++ years old.....

    So, do the math yourself....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    You didn't get it
    Haha, you didnt get it Oldhand.
    "4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?
    YES
    5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?
    YES"

    I think what limsy meant with no 4 & 5 was the BWF ranking points system & its relation to computation of WR points which results to LCW's (and his "challengers") current & future rankings. (Other players WR is also something that the thread starter wants to consider)

    In order to speculate whether LCW can maintain his WR#1 status until 2012, as you know, we do have to calculate the WR points . If the BWF WR system is not related, then how to calculate who will be WR#1, WR#10,WR#100? So, for sure we have to mention the BWF ranking points & thereabouts. It's not about dissecting the system, Sir.

    Cos the thread starter was explaining a bit on how the system works as some members were "blur" but unfortunately some other members got more confused.
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 04-12-2009 at 04:56 AM.

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    Arrow Chen Long has just overtaken Chen Hong and Chen Yu

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post

    In ranking terms, Chen Long is as close to Lee Chong Wei as the Eiffel Tower is to the Great Wall of China. Even the retired Chen Hong and Chen Yu are way ahead of Chen Long!


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    Talking about Chen Long, Chen Hong and Chen Yu; From the ranking points earned from this 2009 Badminton Asia Championships), Chen Long has just overtaken Chen Hong and Chen Yu.
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    Arrow Hope that the intention of this thread is clearer now

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post

    Haha, you didnt get it Oldhand.
    "4th,so does it relate to bwf world ranking system?
    YES

    5th.can we discuss bwf world ranking system in this thread?
    YES"

    I think what limsy meant was the BWF ranking points system & its relation to computation of WR points which results to LCW's (and his "challengers") current & future rankings. (something that the thread starter wants to consider)

    In order to speculate whether LCW can maintain his WR#1 status until 2012, as you know, we do have to calculate the WR points . If the BWF WR system is not related, then how to calculate who will be WR#1, WR#10,WR#100? So, for sure we have to mention the BWF ranking points & thereabouts. It's not about dissecting the system, Sir.

    Cos the thread starter was explaining a bit on how the system works as some members were "blur" but unfortunately some other members got more confused.

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    Thanks eaglehelang ,

    Glad that you remind us what was intended to be discussed in this thread.

    From the starting post of this thread:
    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post

    Lee Chong Wei to remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games

    Greetings,

    From we what have witnessed recently, China is no longer interested to have Lin Dan to regain his World No.1 position.

    As disappointed as most of us BCers are (wanting to watch matches between Lee Chong Wei and Lin Dan), we might only get to watch them play each other in fewer occasions from now on.

    IMHO, Lee Chong Wei could remain as World No.1 until he retires after the 2012 Olympic Games.

    This thread is created to monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei.

    Cheers... chris-ccc


    Therefore, we wish to discuss:

    (1) Can Lee Chong Wei remain as World No.1 until the 2012 Olympic Games?
    Here, 'World No.1' is meant to be 'BWF No.1 ranked player'

    (2) To monitor players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei
    Here, 'players who could come forward to challenge Lee Chong Wei' is meant to be 'players' BWF rankings which can overtake the No.1 ranking of Lee Chong Wei'

    This is the reason why I posted Post #129:
    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post

    ...... could our moderators change the title of this thread to "Will Lee Chong Wei remain as BWF World No.1 until 2012 OG?". This will prevent debates if we have our own concepts of who should be World No.1.

    Hope that the intention of this thread is clearer now.


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