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    again,ours advanced english education prof.p have some problem of understanding 'closer'

    we compare the SAME person to a position in different time.
    example:cl is wr 120 last week and he is wr 100 this week.
    so,he is closer to wr 1 compare to last week
    it is unbelieveable that the prof.p in bc cant understand about the word closer

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    Much before Pemuda did, I too had expressed great surprise.
    See this post.

    The word 'closer' doesn't ride on a simple "100 minus 1".
    If it did, I'd say I'm closer to the moon each time I jump.

    There's such a thing as a logical argument.
    That's what this is about

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    Default "Closer"?? "Next to"?? "Difference is smaller"??...

    ..wait a minute...
    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Yes, some think that 'closer' means 'next to'. Actually it means what you have posted, 'closer' means 'the difference between CL's and LCW's ranking positions is now smaller compared to last week'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong View Post
    Technically speaking, yes. If one day ago, I was 10 km away from point A, now I am 1 inch closer, then yes, in this one-day timeframe, I am closer to point A than before.

    But am I close enough? Is the rate of progress good enough? That's another (or two) question.
    ..i think hcyong's comment is the most reasonable one.
    Since this thread basically deals with World Ranking (now and the future, 2012) and not really judging by "the best player", technically (by world ranking), Chen Long's WR to LCW's WR is "closer", "next to", "smaller in difference to last week".
    Realistically though, between LCW and CL, yes, they're still a long way off (ranking and level of play).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    There's such a thing as a logical argument.
    At least, at least ..We are all agree that Chen Long had his way uphill now.
    I am concern that he is no ordinary junior as he had beat a WR1 when he was seeded #100++. C'mon,he's a news. We don't care if the japan's ba Ikeda Yuichi or any other unseeded players are getting closer. No one cares about their ranking.
    But Chen Long's case would be different, somehow.

    About having a logic argument, then it's not wise to have this argument.
    But, hey..get use to it. * kkk's having the same pressure before, i hope Chen Long is capable to cope with that.
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    Arrow The next World Rankings will be released tomorrow, Thursday 16-Apr-2007

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post

    Much before Pemuda did, I too had expressed great surprise.
    See this post.

    The word 'closer' doesn't ride on a simple "100 minus 1".
    If it did, I'd say I'm closer to the moon each time I jump.

    There's such a thing as a logical argument.
    That's what this is about

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    Hehehe ... We are back to English lessons again.
    The word 'closer' was chosen because it was for expressing comparative degree.

    Let's look at these 2 statements:
    (1) We are now seeing CL making his way close to LCW
    (2) We are now seeing CL making his way closer to LCW

    It would be crazy to use statement (1). All BCers know that CL's and LCW's rankings are so far apart. Most would agree that we cannot say that their rankings are 'close' to each other.

    IMHO, it should be appropriate to use statement (2). Although CL's ranking is far away from LCW's, CL is making progress in the right direction. Therefore, we have this statement: "CL is making his way closer and closer to LCW".

    BTW, the next World Rankings will be released tomorrow, Thursday 16-Apr-2007. And we shall see how much 'closer' CL's ranking will be from LCW's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robin7 View Post
    In conclusion, as long as LCW can keep himself healthy and competitive, he's likely to stay at the top till 2012.
    however, i don't see u PAW what u say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koo_fan View Post
    At least, at least ..We are all agree that Chen Long had his way uphill now.
    I am concern that he is no ordinary junior as he had beat a WR1 when he was seeded #100++. C'mon,he's a news. We don't care if the japan's ba Ikeda Yuichi or any other unseeded players are getting closer. No one cares about their ranking.
    But Chen Long's case would be different, somehow.

    About having a logic argument, then it's not wise to have this argument.
    But, hey..get use to it. * kkk's having the same pressure before, i hope Chen Long is capable to cope with that.
    Actually, what are you trying to say la?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Hehehe ... We are back to English lessons again.
    The word 'closer' was chosen because it was for expressing comparative degree.

    Let's look at these 2 statements:
    (1) We are now seeing CL making his way close to LCW
    (2) We are now seeing CL making his way closer to LCW

    It would be crazy to use statement (1). All BCers know that CL's and LCW's rankings are so far apart. Most would agree that we cannot say that their rankings are 'close' to each other.

    IMHO, it should be appropriate to use statement (2). Although CL's ranking is far away from LCW's, CL is making progress in the right direction. Therefore, we have this statement: "CL is making his way closer and closer to LCW".

    BTW, the next World Rankings will be released tomorrow, Thursday 16-Apr-2007. And we shall see how much 'closer' CL's ranking will be from LCW's.
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    why we run into english lesson?
    why we should start panic regarding CL? he is still many tens of ranking behind LCW.
    LCW starts to panic about CL now...?
    or the LCW's fans start to panic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pemuda View Post
    Actually, what are you trying to say la?
    Which part is that "what are you trying to say" eh?

    Ignore the panic ler, as long as you know Chen Long is not yet a threat for Lee Chong Wei, be it. I, personally like Chen Long. (compare to other China Players)
    He could do it better, And i shall wait.

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    Arrow 16-Apr-2009: World Rankings List has not been updated yet

    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post

    why we run into english lesson?

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    Because there is one BCer here who is always criticizing another BCer's English.
    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post

    why we should start panic regarding CL? he is still many tens of ranking behind LCW.
    LCW starts to panic about CL now...?
    or the LCW's fans start to panic?

    There is no panic. Although CL is making progress, he is still far away from being World No.1. But we have to watch out for him (because some BCers thought he has great potential).

    Just checked the BWF site. Today's BWF World Rankings List has not been updated yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler View Post
    however, i don't see u PAW what u say.
    Well, PAW-ing is about winning as many points as possible while taking calculated risks. That's the reason why you are yet to win any titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    If it did, I'd say I'm closer to the moon each time I jump.
    no, you won't. unless you only jump at night!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    Because there is one BCer here who is always criticizing another BCer's English.

    There is no panic. Although CL is making progress, he is still far away from being World No.1. But we have to watch out for him (because some BCers thought he has great potential).

    Just checked the BWF site. Today's BWF World Rankings List has not been updated yet.
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    gee...... my english also low grade. as you know, i went to idontgoto university, just do not criticize me. also, please do not criticize each other, whether is english, play skill, nylons, attitude etc.... just let go and ignore.

    yes, CL got potential and every other players too.
    everyone is making progress or regress. just don't panic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post
    why we run into english lesson?
    why we should start panic regarding CL? he is still many tens of ranking behind LCW.
    LCW starts to panic about CL now...?
    or the LCW's fans start to panic?
    If you see carefully, you'll notice it's the non LCW fans who so called "panic" with the semantics of the word "closer" that chris used .

    I think chris@ccc likes this Chen Long & forsees the young gun as future top player, though many argue the Chen Long arent as good as LD, CJ, BCL. But then again, which of the current batch of China MS youngsters are?

    And...........chris will be happy to know Chen Long has moved up 40 placings to WR#60, ahead of the retired CHen Yu(WR#93) & Chen Hong (WR#97). WR#100 to WR#60, that's definitely more than an inch jump . But I'm sure chris already knew that from his calculations, hence his earlier excited post abt CHen Long.

    Now CL need to catch up with Gong Weiji(WR#36) & Lu Yi (WR#32) 1st before moving up year by year to challenge the top guns.
    http://internationalbadminton.org/ra...22=Submit&id=1
    Last edited by eaglehelang; 04-16-2009 at 03:33 AM.

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    Arrow It great to see Taufik Hidayat now ranked as World No.5

    Quote Originally Posted by eaglehelang View Post

    If you see carefully, you'll notice it's the non LCW fans who so called "panic" with the semantics of the word "closer" that chris used .

    I think chris@ccc likes this Chen Long & forsees the young gun as future top player, though many argue the Chen Long arent as good as LD, CJ, BCL. But then again, which of the current batch of China MS youngsters are?

    And...........chris will be happy to know Chen Long has moved up 40 placings to WR#60, ahead of the retired CHen Yu(WR#93) & Chen Hong (WR#97). WR#100 to WR#60, that's definitely more than an inch jump . But I'm sure chris already knew that from his calculations, hence his earlier excited post abt Chen Long.

    Now CL need to catch up with Gong Weiji(WR#36) & Lu Yi (WR#32) 1st before moving up year by year to challenge the top guns.

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    eagle ... I only said that I Chen Long could be a future top player. It's only a 'could'. At this moment, CL's level is far below the World Top 4. Our conversation about CL only started after he defeated LCW at the 2009 India Open. I did say that CL is one of the rising stars, but I suspect it would take a long time for him to get to the top rankings. In fact, I do not expect him to overtake LCW before the 2012 OG.

    Thanks for informing us about CL's latest ranking. Yes, quite a big jump to WR#60 from #100. IMHO, players like LCW, LD, TH and PG shouldn't have much problem against CL in this year, 2009.

    BTW, LD is now ranked at #3, below PG at #2 (PG should be happy ) and LCW still at #1. It also great to see TH, currently at #5, moving 'very close' to CJ at #4.

    Perhaps, PG could be the first to overtake LCW.
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    Surprise surprise. But of course, if LD only attend 2 SS tournaments every 3 months, even if he won all of them, he would only get 9200 x 8 = 73600 pts.

    Also it seems we will see more LD - LCW semifinal from now on...

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    BTW, LD is now ranked at #3, below PG at #2 (PG should be happy ) and LCW still at #1. It also great to see TH, currently at #5, moving 'very close' to CJ at #4.

    Perhaps, PG could be the first to overtake LCW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ye333 View Post
    Surprise surprise. But of course, if LD only attend 2 SS tournaments every 3 months, even if he won all of them, he would only get 9200 x 8 = 73600 pts.

    Also it seems we will see more LD - LCW semifinal from now on...
    that mean we would see more PG vs TH too?

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