Will Lee Chong Wei remain World No.1 until the 2012 OG?

[pjswift]

Great instant work,Alan! Thanks for the research.

[chris-ccc]

world ranking between 2004 to 2008, i was wrong that there was a thrid no 1 during that period in PG between 1-3 weeks

.....week.....LD LCW
09/12/2004 1 8
14/07/2005 1 5
26/08/2005 1 4
15/09/2005 1 5
29/09/2005 1 4
21/10/2005 1 4
10/11/2005 1 2
25/11/2005 1 3
16/12/2005 1 3
16/03/2006 1 2
24/03/2006 1 2
05/05/2006 1 2
23/06/2006 3 2 (PG @ No 1)
30/06/2006 2 1
20/07/2006 2 1
27/07/2006 1 2
17/08/2006 1 2
24/08/2006 2 1
31/08/2006 2 1
07/09/2006 2 1
14/09/2006 2 1
28/09/2006 1 2
05/10/2006 1 2
20/10/2006 1 2
16/11/2006 1 2
21/12/2006 1 2
18/01/2007 1 2
01/02/2007 1 3
05/04/2007 1 6
10/05/2007 1 6
21/06/2007 1 4
19/07/2007 1 3
25/10/2007 1 2
22/11/2007 1 2
27/12/2007 1 2
06/06/2008 1 2
06/07/2008 1 2
21/08/2008 2 1

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Thanks for the research AlanY.

Yes, it confirms what I have remembered. On Thursday 10-May-2007, LCW was ranked World No.6 playing in Round 2 at the Indonesia Open SS.

On Sunday 13-May-2007, LCW won the Indonesia Open SS title. And from that day, LCW would only move upwards towards to No.1.

So, from your records, LCW moved into the No.1 on 21-Aug-2008. And he has remained there on top all the time until today.

This is a great achievement; for being No.1 and stayed there for two and a half years (or 150 weeks).

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[flite]

LD was world no 1 for 5 years between 2003 and 2008, with a few weeks gap inbetween.

here are some of the majors LD has;
Olympics 2008
All England 2009 2007 2006 2004
World Championship 2009 2007 2006
World Cup 2006 2005
Thomas Cup 2010 2008 2006 2004
Sudirman Cup 2009 2007 2005
Asian Games 2010
Asian Games (team) 2010 2006

so, i let you to work out which one is missing during his no 1 reign.
remind us how many majors the current no 1 held?

If my memory serves me right, LD was missing the 08' Olympic and 10' Asian games when during that period LCW took over the no.1 spot. My last sentence reads all majors at the same time.

i didnt bought this up, flite did

Yup I did and it provided you an opportunity to worship LD.

[AlanY]

If my memory serves me right, LD was missing the 08' Olympic and 10' Asian games when during that period LCW took over the no.1 spot. My last sentence reads all majors at the same time.



Yup I did and it provided you an opportunity to worship LD.

for your information,

LD was the world no 1 and seeded 1 for the 2008 Olympics.
Asian games is not a major as the name suggested in many people's book, me included.

[chris-ccc]

If my memory serves me right, LD was missing the 08' Olympic and 10' Asian games when during that period LCW took over the no.1 spot. My last sentence reads all majors at the same time.

Yup I did and it provided you an opportunity to worship LD.

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There is no doubt that LD is considered the current best player in the world. But it has nothing to do with this thread.

Go back to Post #1 of this thread to read what this thread is all about. And how disappointed many Badminton fans are when LD showed that he is not interested to be No.1 anymore.
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[flite]

for your information,

LD was the world no 1 and seeded 1 for the 2008 Olympics.
Asian games is not a major as the name suggested in many people's book, me included.

That was exactly when he loses his no.1 spot to LCW.
As for the Asian games, it matters so much at least in LD's book.

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There is no doubt that LD is considered the current best player in the world. But it has nothing to do with this thread.

Go back to Post #1 of this thread to read what this thread is all about. And how disappointed many Badminton fans are when LD showed that he is not interested to be No.1 anymore.
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Oh yes this is not the place to discuss LD's position but in many ways its inter-related.

[chris-ccc]

Oh yes this is not the place to discuss LD's position but in many ways its inter-related.

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Contrary opinions said that LD would not be able to keep up LCW's relentless determination to stay on as No.1.

This is one (Post #8);

well,ld can takeover lcw in the end of 2009 BUT he need to win everything(wc,ss and gp gold)start from the sudirman cup until the end of 2009
which is unlikely as he wont participate as much as lcw will

This is another one (Post #40);

The situation is, all the players that have the ability to challenge LCW can be divided into the following categories

1. choose to attend only a few SSs (LD)
2. too old to consistently win titles (PG, TH)
3. have severe injury problems (BCL, CJ, SDK)

Another one (Post #76);

What's a current WR1?

A current WR1 is a current superior mark of consistency. A former WR1 is an indication of former supremacy. It is not possible to be WR1 by just maximising tournament attendance. A player has to be able to reach or win finals most of the time to attain WR1. Sometimes they achieved it with assists (eg LD) and sometimes on their own(eg LCW). Certainly it's gonna be a lot tougher for LCW to maintain his WR1 on his own steam.

The interesting thing about LCW is that he has reached WR1 when there's still lots of room for improvement. Eg his tactics. As LM said, it's still behind LD. Can you imagine LCW playing even better when his tactics is superior even when his speed is less?

But to say that CHN seems not interested in WR is first class diplomacy. If CHN is not interested in WR, why would they bother to win? It's just not easy for CHN now as long as non-CHN teams maintain or increase their budget and continue to send their players for exposure. Non-CHN BAs determine CHN's progress through their participation strategy. Previously, non-CHN increase their budget for Olympics year. If they are smart, they should maintain or increase their budgets until their stars are more established in the rankings. Then they can cut down the budget to just maintain exposure for their top players.

Also Post #79;

i dont mind not having big titles in hand.

but, as world number one from 2008-2012, that is 48 months or 208 weeks or 1,460 days. i want it...... will it be a record?

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[AlanY]

That was exactly when he loses his no.1 spot to LCW.

the point is he was world no 1 and olympics champion at the same time.

As for the Asian games, it matters so much at least in LD's book.

a particular t'ment matter to someone doesnt made it a major.
i'm sure the china open matter to many chinese players, likewise the malaysian open to LCW but that doesnt made them majors.

.............16.

[flite]

LD was world no 1 for 5 years between 2003 and 2008, with a few weeks gap inbetween.

here are some of the majors LD has;
Olympics 2008
All England 2009 2007 2006 2004
World Championship 2009 2007 2006
World Cup 2006 2005
Thomas Cup 2010 2008 2006 2004
Sudirman Cup 2009 2007 2005
Asian Games 2010
Asian Games (team) 2010 2006

so, i let you to work out which one is missing during his no 1 reign.
remind us how many majors the current no 1 held?

.............16.

My point is he loses the no.1 spot immediately right after the Olympics.

As for the Asian Games, looking back at your post, its stated by yourself that Asian games is a major! As and when the point of discussion changes, so are you. Nice work.

After all and most importantly, I would say that LCW would remain his world no.1 ranking until the 2012 Olympics despite the challenges from LD.

[pjswift]

My point is he loses the no.1 spot immediately right after the Olympics.

As for the Asian Games, looking back at your post, its stated by yourself that Asian games is a major! As and when the point of discussion changes, so are you. Nice work.

After all and most importantly, I would say that LCW would remain his world no.1 ranking until the 2012 Olympics despite the challenges from LD.

I may be wrong but it looks like when LCW reached OG08 finals, LD lost his WR1 and LCW played as the WR1 during that match. So LD won the major not as a WR1. But maybe that s why he won?

Does that mean that LCW holds the record for the longest uninterrupted WR1? Hmmm... If so, that means LCW is more superior than I thought.

[pjswift]

The next big tournament is the Yonex All England Open Super Series Premier, Birmingham, England from March 8-13.
This will be a good one as all the world's top players are expected to participate in the world's oldest and most prestigious annual badminton tournament. The WC does not attract all the top world players notwithstanding its nomenclature.
Will LCW clash with LD again in the AE final?

There s a good chance both may be in the same half like MO11. TH will not be in the same half as LCW since TH is WR2.

[chris-ccc]

There s a good chance both may be in the same half like MO11. TH will not be in the same half as LCW since TH is WR2.

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But let's follow LCW-vs-LD match at the Finals (if they both make it there) of the 2011 German Open GPG first.

Heard that they will be seeded No.1 (LCW) and No.2 (LD).
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[ctjcad]

LCW played in 3 tournaments in January 2011 and yet he was able to give a good account of himself by reaching the final of the 2011 KO SS. His opponent LD was quite fresh and played only 7 matches in January (2 in Malaysia and 5 in Korea) and thus had a longer rest interval. LCW had to fly to Seoul in the night of 23 January straight after the 2011 MO.
Moreover, LD had 2 Chinese coaches to help him in Korea but LCW did not have MS. Who knows what would have happened if MS was in Korea to guide LCW.

LCW being a bit tired than LD excuse, i can somewhat buy.
LCW missing Misbun in his corner excuse, sorry, i don't buy. LD was also missing TXH. It was pretty much an even match, just came down to the last few pts; and it could've gone either way, methinks. LD stayed steady with a bit of luck and LCW just made more errors (perhaps from being too rushed/not patient).

off topic:
As for LCW's biggest supporters in BC, i can say george@chongwei is in the top 3 top fans. The other 2, i believe one of them is close to LCW and Misbun (no matter how hard that person tries to hide it).

[ctjcad]

..It seems that Lin Dan is willing to participate in as many tournaments as he is allowed/able to participate in. This will be a threat to LCW's WR#1 position, unless they keep alternating wins
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..main reason: 2012 OG qualifying period and CHN players jockeying to get the best positions in the WR..

[eaglehelang]

LCW being a bit tired than LD excuse, i can somewhat buy.
LCW missing Misbun in his corner excuse, sorry, i don't buy. LD was also missing TXH. It was pretty much an even match, just came down to the last few pts; and it could've gone either way, methinks. LD stayed steady with a bit of luck and LCW just made more errors (perhaps from being too rushed/not patient).

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LD have beaten LCW, with or without coach Tang, as you have stated/shown many times. LD still seems to be more confident vs LCW with coach Tang there.
LCW has lost & won over LD, with Misbun there. Not sure abt early years but every LD vs LCW, Misbun was in coaches chair. So, if with Misbun also lose, without Misbun, no need say .
I dont think Tey SB(or Rashid) can help much during actual tournament, they still refer to Misbun, Tey SB said so time & again. This Tey seems to like to low profile.

And yeah, I know you consider less % of coaches factor than I do.

[pBmMalaysia]

LD have beaten LCW, with or without coach Tang, as you have stated/shown many times. LD still seems to be more confident vs LCW with coach Tang there.
LCW has lost & won over LD, with Misbun there. Not sure abt early years but every LD vs LCW, Misbun was in coaches chair. So, if with Misbun also lose, without Misbun, no need say .
I dont think Tey SB(or Rashid) can help much during actual tournament, they still refer to Misbun, Tey SB said so time & again. This Tey seems to like to low profile.

And yeah, I know you consider less % of coaches factor than I do.

Yes, those statistic are not enough to prove with or without the coach, the result makes no different

If anyone doesnt think so, just try and ask the player

When crucial moment arises it's just like between life and death

[flite]

I may be wrong but it looks like when LCW reached OG08 finals, LD lost his WR1 and LCW played as the WR1 during that match. So LD won the major not as a WR1. But maybe that s why he won?

Does that mean that LCW holds the record for the longest uninterrupted WR1? Hmmm... If so, that means LCW is more superior than I thought.

It could be either what you stated or right after the 08' Olympics. I wasn't completely sure so I am not in a position to argue.

Also you could be right that LCW held the longest consecutive periods for the no.1 spot since August 08' but I reserved my comments on the superior/inferior issue. One thing I can be sure is that LCW consistency is second to none and I am quite certain he will hold on to his position with the rate he is going now.