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    Quote Originally Posted by LD rules! View Post
    Ps, are badminton England still making you pay that ludicrous "administration fee" for entering international events out with the national set up?
    Yes, 20 per tournament. I believe they may be ditching it this season onwards and putting Internationals up on BE's Tournament Software instead. The only 'manual' requirement then is to pass on your BWF ID.

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    Thanks for your answers msitpro.

    I'm not that familiar with BE. Still, I've seen some guys play. Anyway, how would you compare yourself to players like, Joel Gayle, Viktor Loke or (on a higer level) Chris Coles?

    I hope you enjoy the (international) games and can push your limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msitpro View Post
    Yes, 20 per tournament. I believe they may be ditching it this season onwards and putting Internationals up on BE's Tournament Software instead. The only 'manual' requirement then is to pass on your BWF ID.
    Well glad to see they're ditching it. I think it was terrible that you guys were being made to pay "administration costs" when it's a simple process. Those fees ontop on paying 100% of all other costs. We as players, could quite easily handle our own tournament entries if both the BWF and our NA's would let us. Apparently though, it's just too complicated for us players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by |_Footwork_| View Post
    Thanks for your answers msitpro.

    I'm not that familiar with BE. Still, I've seen some guys play. Anyway, how would you compare yourself to players like, Joel Gayle, Viktor Loke or (on a higer level) Chris Coles?

    I hope you enjoy the (international) games and can push your limits.
    Played Joel at doubles in March. He was playing with a youngster, Matt Widdicombe. They won 14 & 14 I think. We were on pretty soon after beating Andrew Smith and his mate in the first round and I think if we'd had more time to recover it would have been closer.

    On the singles front, he would likely beat me 10 & 10 or so I suspect based on last season's form.


    Never played Coles as the national team doubles players never play domestically....

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    Hattrick!! Third tournament we won in a row

    The two videos are from our last final. We won in two games (21:19 21:7). The first set was pretty close and in the second set our opponents couldn't keep up the pace. We already knew them before for their solid defensive game, but this time they couldn't handle our offense

    We are the ones playing in blue. I'm the tall guy with the orange shoes. My partner is my regular doubles partner. Any tactical/technical advice is always highly appreciated as we always want to improve our level.




    Sorry for the blurry quality of the first game's video. I don't know what happened to my camera there.

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    Based on a quick view of the second vid, the first thing that comes to mind for me is that your partner really needs to improve his overhead timing. He's giving away at least 20, probably 25-30cm because he has his arm angled too much and always falls down before he hits a drop. Also pretty easy to read him because of that - he can't really put on pressure when he's all relaxed and dropping down like that, although your opponents didnt seem to do so and were too slow to take advantage anyway.
    Had a little chuckle at both of them having logos stencilled on and the Oliver guy even appearing to be sponsored in a fashion (god, I hope he's a retailer, or Oliver has the worst endorsement strategy ever!).

    Anyhow, one more thing you could improve is your movement when your partner gets a high lift. You step back pretty far, and since he doesn't really have a big hammer, you don't need to be that far back. It leaves you vulnerable to a good block defense, and since he plays drop shots so often, you need to step forward most of the time anyway.

    Both of you need to work on one very basic part of movement - the split step. You never seem to do one, and often kind of walk into your positions/shots, and your reaction time (especially defensively) suffers for it. Related to that, you need to get back to your base position more quickly when you're at the back, you have a really good attack for this level but don't return to a more neutral position after a smash, which opens up the court for a crosscourt defensive shot which doesn't even need to be flat or fast. As a tall guy I know that's a bit harder on us, but it really makes a big difference against a defensively strong pair!
    You could also variate your attack a bit more (throw in some quick(!) drop shots, spotted a few that were basically gifted points against a quick player ), but against this pair it wasn't really needed.

    All things considered, this is pretty good attacking play for B class fun tournaments!

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    @j4ackie: Thank you for the analysis

    The "sponsored guy" is in fact a retailer and has a small badminton shop. I actually know a guy who was sponsored by Oliver, but he was way way better (Hessenliga), so nothing wrong with Oliver's endorsement strategy

    The missing split step is probably the main reason why I hate playing singles. Most of the time in doubles one has to cover only one axis (front+back or left+right), especially when in an attacking position and dictating the rally and it's quite easy to cover that adequately without using a split step. That's probably the reason why I never learned to do it. Especially in singles I notice that I am not able to cover all four corners equally well. I tend to pick two corners that I can easily cover and if my opponent plays in one of the remaining corners I have a big problem.
    I will ask my coach for some advice/training on that topic.

    The slow recovery is one of the bad habits I developed during my early years. I played Badminton for quite some time on a very low level without any coaching at all and just recently (2 years) started playing+training on a higher level with a real coach. Apart from the slow recovery I also tend to have an awkward "racket ready position". It has gotten better, but I still have my racket pointing forward when my arm is raised and I tend to need some extra time to wind up.
    I'll try to work on that. Do you have any tipps how to improve fast recovery? Probably not going 100% on power all the time would be a good start

    Thank you for the tipps, I'll pass on your remarks about my partners drop to him.

    For the next tournaments we will probably enlists in some higher levels and see how we can perform against more skilled players. In our last season we won all our doubles together and hope to climb into "Bezirksoberliga" next season.
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    Not concentrating on putting 100% into the smash, what is more helpful for me though is thinking aboit the next shot already. I land differently with my balance already shifted towards the position I want to return to/advance to. I actually have trouble with that particular aspect, especially when the rally goes on a while and you don't want to return to a neutral position again
    I noticed you often do a small hop before starting to move back, you should try to either skip that or at least direct it into the direction you want to go next. Its best if you only do it after very fast lateral movement to regain your balance.

    Also, you might want to consider either playing without a preference or with you gravitating towards the back, your stronger smash and vastly superior angle make you more dangerous than your partner there while he seems to have a slightly cooler head around the net at times. Continue playing as aggressively as you do on your own serve though, it really puts pressure on opponents and at this level youre able to take the net away from them almost entirely.

    As for the retailer, I suspected as much, its fairly common for them to have a (minor) endorsement with a particular company (my go-to retailer uses Li Ning and has the logo on his rackets as well).

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    @alex292 The split step is in doubles very important as well. It gives you loooots of benefits and you are even faster than you are now (cause you are automatically in balance and have the quick start). I suggest you concentrate from now one in training always one doing the split step at every hit of your opponent player does at every hitting practice or skirmish. Until you have the right timing and it goes into your flesh. And when you feel slow at court again just think about the split-step do it and you will be fast again. For doing the split step the right way, just look at matches of Pro players in slow motion and copy it (only look at their feet and the right timing). (tall players are Hong Wei, Ivanov (for doubles) and chen Long, victor axelsen, Boonsak Ponsana (for singles).

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    Bao Chunlai rather than Boonsak, I'd say - BP isn't actually tall for European standards Also, BCL is the closer to normal players in movement because he doesn't jump insanely high or lunge incredibly deep like CL VA is a pretty good players to watch as well and probably the closest to us where explosiveness is concerned (from the players listed!).
    MB and CM are good to watch if you want to learn how to attack in a controlled manner. You can also pick up a few things about mind games from them, but I'd advise you not to play any if you want to keep a friendly relationship with your opponents

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    Its been a while since I have posted a video, here is one on my men's singles match from the recent 2014 Canada Open Grand Prix. I made it to 2nd round (RD 32) after winning my 1st round against a local Canadian player. In the 2nd round I had to play a player from the Korean University team named Ju Hyung Shon who beat Eric Pang in his first round.

    Overall not much to say, hes better than me and I gave up the shuttle to many times allowing him to attack and instantly putting myself into a defensive position which I need to work on deference. I needed to continue to play a flat game and not give up the shuttle, control the net and then go from there.

    Over the past few months my coaches have been trying to change my game and technique so I think it may slightly be working and coming through here, it is very hard to do though for sure especially in a tournament. Overall happy with the result, 2nd round a good chunk of world ranking points and a boost to my world ranking so that is a good thing.

    I am wearing white and black in the video and start on the far side.


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    @nbonkowsky
    Good result! Thanks for keeping us updated.

    I noticed that a lot of your inside-out cross courts were landing fairly central.

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    2 quick games to 11, one playing half court. I am usually a doubles player. Any criticism is welcome. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw_1gxDMUyU

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9k-B2WmG1n4

    Sorry about the camera angle, recorded with a phone against my bag. First game for three weeks due to my jumpers knee and playing with cheap ( I think fake) yonexs shuttles from America.

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    @nbonkowsky

    First of all your mate with the camera was very will ferrell-esk

    I don't know what your coach was telling you but unbelievably you only played one overhead forehand clear in the entire match at 13:27 and it worked, got the shuttle completely behind your opponent. But due to this lack of variation your opponent was very comfortable pushing his base forward and playing you around.
    This also effected your ability to dominate front court because he was always too well positioned.

    I saw you over committed a few times to net shots that were not really tight, nor did the player have to move much for them, therefore he just held the shuttle and pinged it over you, putting you in big trouble. Looked like you were trying to force controlling the net which is impossible in those circumstances(unless shot is mega tight.)

    Your obviously a good player and I'm not knocking you but your tactics were really one dimensional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigandy View Post
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    First of all your mate with the camera was very will ferrell-esk

    I don't know what your coach was telling you but unbelievably you only played one overhead forehand clear in the entire match at 13:27 and it worked, got the shuttle completely behind your opponent. But due to this lack of variation your opponent was very comfortable pushing his base forward and playing you around.
    This also effected your ability to dominate front court because he was always too well positioned.

    I saw you over committed a few times to net shots that were not really tight, nor did the player have to move much for them, therefore he just held the shuttle and pinged it over you, putting you in big trouble. Looked like you were trying to force controlling the net which is impossible in those circumstances(unless shot is mega tight.)

    Your obviously a good player and I'm not knocking you but your tactics were really one dimensional.
    The tactical/strategical side of the game has been one of my biggest weaknesses, I just haven't had the time to experience and learn it all through yet. Everything makes sense after the point but I notice it all to slow to change it in the rally. That's where its the hardest right now to change and work on, hopefully one day it will all click and that aspect of my game will go up.

    As for shot quality, lots of the shots were not the best quality and quite often put me under more pressure than I needed. That's just where I need to practice them more under tournament situations, practice and tournaments have not transferred over into one smooth play yet for me as there is still a noticeable difference in the two when I play.

    Hopefully time and experience will help that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nbonkowsky View Post
    The tactical/strategical side of the game has been one of my biggest weaknesses, I just haven't had the time to experience and learn it all through yet. Everything makes sense after the point but I notice it all to slow to change it in the rally. That's where its the hardest right now to change and work on, hopefully one day it will all click and that aspect of my game will go up.

    As for shot quality, lots of the shots were not the best quality and quite often put me under more pressure than I needed. That's just where I need to practice them more under tournament situations, practice and tournaments have not transferred over into one smooth play yet for me as there is still a noticeable difference in the two when I play.

    Hopefully time and experience will help that.
    From what I gather even some of the top Chinese players need properly coached throughout the game and only some can play well coachless.

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    Nick.

    What I see is a limitation of being able to change the game. Your movement is very one paced and as mentioned, has limited variation. I don't see you constructing a rally to make a stroke move to give yourself an advantageous position. I don't see you adapting to changes of pace. For instance, early in the match, you played a couple of backhand clears and the opponent jumped to smash. Ok, personally, i dont think that's a problem if you haven't played him before. However, in subsequent similar situations, your movement doesn't give the impression you have learnt about his ability and adapted your speed of movement accordingly.

    I don't see you changing a game so that you control the pace.

    Your movement looks very much like a ordinary training routine. Hit to point A, run to point B, hit to point C, run to D, but doing it without much purpose nor having change of pace. It seems like you are waiting for him to make mistakes but you are not giving him the appropriate amount of pressure either physically nor tactically.

    Granted he is a better player but I guess you are disappointed you couldn't make him work harder.

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