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    Game 3 of the recorded singles match:


    And a doubles match from the next day. We're all tired after playing 5 competitive singles the day before and another 3 doubles matches on that day, plus I was very relaxed because there was no question who'd win Make sure to watch 0:47 in HD and fullscreen and prepare to be amazed (Although 3:11 in the first singles game is very close )



    I have a tournament coming up soon, I'll try to take some video there. It'll definitely be another level of competition than these rather casual doubles matches. I just hope I can set up the camera there, it was PACKED last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canti View Post
    00:17 well arent you fancy haha , you have a really nice wrist smash too! 2:23
    Quote Originally Posted by JukUx View Post
    You have improved Jackie! nice singles match
    Thanks! I've trained quite a bit these last few months so it's nice to see (and hear) it's paying off


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    Here's a vid,
    game #2 still uploading game #1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WalQN7m3sLY&feature=youtu.be

    I am the lazy bum in the red with black spandex with shorts over. Why? because practice was at 7 am where its f-ing cold. Me and my partner were helping the other two practice for a tournament in which and they played plastic, so fml critiques are welcomed, and yes, I knowww, I have to work on my footwork
    Will upload game #1 when its done
    Well as you said, your footwork is probably the weakest link in your game. Many of your errors come from not being in a good position and reaching towards the shuttle rather than moving your feet. Some drills for the split step would be good, and fast-paced doubles of course (it's a miracle how fast your feet can move if you're constantly under pressure^^^).
    Your forehand grip looks a bit weird to me as well, as if it's turned slightly (too close to a backhand grip imop). Can't say for sure in a video though.
    Pretty nice doubles match, although the plastic shuttles are a no-go :P

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    Off topic:
    For those who are in & around the London area or in UK/England or greater Europe, we'll be having a BC get-together event at this yr's OG...Also, we'll be giving away free BC t-shirts in conjunction with the get-together event..
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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    [video=youtube;5fi3sZl-F3o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fi3sZl-F3o[video]
    [video=youtube;YuKmUMWRpec]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuKmUMWRpec[video]
    First two games of a singles match in the recent club tournament....I'm the one in yellow.
    Hi j4ckie,
    I wont mention the large number of net shots put in the net from the first vid
    I think you could gain a significant amount of coverage by getting lower in your ready-stance - it should make pushing off a lot easier with a lower centre of gravity.

    In second vid you have a couple of jump drop shots - when you take the speed out of your arm, you also stop rotating. If you continued with the body rotation/completed the scissor then it would most likely aid recovery.

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    Yupp! I've been doing footwork drills a lot lately, I find that, I do split step, but only when its a match I am really into LOL I think a lot of times I drift off into LaLaLand and then I am like holy crap, I gotta get that shot. Hmm, My forehand grip is weird, I have learned the wrong way to smash, making me able to do stupid slice smashes, and just so happens to stun opponents because they're like wtf is that shot But recently, I've watched Coach Lee's vids and I've been trying to do everything he says. After today's rallying and testing it out, I find it really successful

    Agree! F plastic (at school I normally play feathers) but its for my opponents sake as they have a tournament to train for

    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    Thanks! I've trained quite a bit these last few months so it's nice to see (and hear) it's paying off
    Well as you said, your footwork is probably the weakest link in your game. Many of your errors come from not being in a good position and reaching towards the shuttle rather than moving your feet. Some drills for the split step would be good, and fast-paced doubles of course (it's a miracle how fast your feet can move if you're constantly under pressure^^^).
    Your forehand grip looks a bit weird to me as well, as if it's turned slightly (too close to a backhand grip imop). Can't say for sure in a video though.
    Pretty nice doubles match, although the plastic shuttles are a no-go :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by JukUx View Post
    Yupp! I've been doing footwork drills a lot lately, I find that, I do split step, but only when its a match I am really into LOL I think a lot of times I drift off into LaLaLand and then I am like holy crap, I gotta get that shot. Hmm, My forehand grip is weird, I have learned the wrong way to smash, making me able to do stupid slice smashes, and just so happens to stun opponents because they're like wtf is that shot But recently, I've watched Coach Lee's vids and I've been trying to do everything he says. After today's rallying and testing it out, I find it really successful

    Agree! F plastic (at school I normally play feathers) but its for my opponents sake as they have a tournament to train for
    Coach Lee's videos have to be taken with a grain of salt, some of his teachings are very outdated. The video on the smash that I've seen is completely wrong - better videos are the one by thejym (badminton pronation technique) and any slow-mo of Lin Dan, Fu Haifeng and the likes. The grip is not exactly the same with all pros, so you got some leeway there, but you don't grip it panhandle style like Coach Lee shows. The pronation is the most important part of the smash, even if it feels weird at first and the timing is off, learning to smash with pronation will improve it in the long run. By far.


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    Hi j4ckie,
    I wont mention the large number of net shots put in the net from the first vid
    I think you could gain a significant amount of coverage by getting lower in your ready-stance - it should make pushing off a lot easier with a lower centre of gravity.

    In second vid you have a couple of jump drop shots - when you take the speed out of your arm, you also stop rotating. If you continued with the body rotation/completed the scissor then it would most likely aid recovery.
    Yeah, my net play was completely gone that day. I took many many shots too low, but even then I usually at least get it over. Somehow I had no touch at the front
    One of the things I'll tackle in training the next few weeks, together with - surprise, surprise - footwork
    I blame part of it on my go-to BS09 breaking roughly a week before, though. The one I play with in the vid is 2-2,5g heavier and just a bit clumsy. Gonna get a replacement from Victor and an additional BS12 for backup though (as there's no way THAT's gonna be too heavy).

    Thanks for the comment! I'll re-watch the vid and look out for the scissor, I usually don't do one in the forehand corner although perhaps I should when I have the time to get behind the shuttle. I'll discuss that with my coaches when I have a chance. If the training continues the way it is right now, my singles will improve rapidly in the coming months (currently we play 3-4 each with 3 or 4 people of similar strength every session as we have much room - which is rare, and one of the reasons we have more doubles than singles specialists).

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    Oh seriously? I watched thejym's vid long time ago. I don't agree with the semi pan handle that Coach Lee teaches but I agree that the racket face should be open when hitting a smash so that one can get that a clean hit. For me I believe its the way I set up that causes a slice :s I definitely pronate. but probably not enough to get max power. I'll probably take a vid of myself doing some smashes and show you guys so I can get some correction. I'll do that when I have time.

    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    Coach Lee's videos have to be taken with a grain of salt, some of his teachings are very outdated. The video on the smash that I've seen is completely wrong - better videos are the one by thejym (badminton pronation technique) and any slow-mo of Lin Dan, Fu Haifeng and the likes. The grip is not exactly the same with all pros, so you got some leeway there, but you don't grip it panhandle style like Coach Lee shows. The pronation is the most important part of the smash, even if it feels weird at first and the timing is off, learning to smash with pronation will improve it in the long run. By far.

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    Just having the racket face forward will make for an easier, but less powerful and less deceptive shot. The key to getting a powerful smash is using pronation AND timing it right (so that you actually hit the shuttle when the racket faces it perfectly). More advanced stuff are sliced smashed and drops where you hit the shuttle with the racket facing it at an angle on purpose, resulting in a deceptive shot which can drop more steeply due to the increased spin.

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    Ok! Thanks for the tips but why is having the racket face forward contributing to lesser power? Just curious because I thought it would give you more power if anything. As of right now, I keep the racket face forward to avoid doing slice smashes.

    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    Just having the racket face forward will make for an easier, but less powerful and less deceptive shot. The key to getting a powerful smash is using pronation AND timing it right (so that you actually hit the shuttle when the racket faces it perfectly). More advanced stuff are sliced smashed and drops where you hit the shuttle with the racket facing it at an angle on purpose, resulting in a deceptive shot which can drop more steeply due to the increased spin.

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    If you pronate, you can't keep the racket facing forward the whole time. To be clear - pronation is the rotation of the forearm. That motion will turn the face of the racket, so either you have the racket face a set direction (very easy to anticipate the shot, btw) OR you pronate. There is no question that for an advanced player, pronation is the way to go
    To get the maximum out of it, you have to supinate (rotation of the forearm in the other direction) first after bringing the racket back, that allows for a longer motion and thus more acceleration of the racket head. To see that, watch a few slow-mo vids of FHF and LD. You'll see how the racket face is turned during the shot, facing the shuttle perfectly on contact. If you wanna discuss this further, pm me and/or find a threat about the smash or pronation

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    Hey J4ckie, I've just been watching your games and was impressed at how your flow and coordination on court has made you seem like a much more solid player now!

    I hope you don't think i'm jumping into criticism but I think this is something you may want to think about. Just my opinion though so don't feel you have to listen :P

    One thing I would like to suggest or convey -is that there is still quite a large time gap between the time you see the shuttle and the reaction to moving it.

    If you look at 6:01 in the first game, or 10:35 for some examples.
    You take it perhaps lower, and later, than you should. It means you end up what appears to be moving your torso too to the contact point of the shuttle.

    Combining that with ocasional points also that you take the return of net shots or low serves late because your racquet is down(it is sometimes a sign to your opponent that you are not prepared to attack).
    With both of these you will find your maneuverability to playing a shot is decreased and your options become limited

    If you are not doing this already, have you considered doing some unsighted shuttle training or reaction training that will perhaps enable you to take the shuttle earlier and further away from you? Such as having someone feed shuttles over you from behind and reacting in time to hit them over the net with fast feet and good racquet preparation.

    The only time it really seems to effect you is when you are taking a drop shot or a net shot, and I must emphasise that it's not often- but it adds pressure into your game without needing to.

    The reason I say this, whenever you take a shuttle beneath the net level as i'm sure you know- it makes any netshot 10x harder at the same time giving your opponent more time to react due to the upward trajectory of the shuttle.
    This may affect your consistency and shot options (Sorry to bang on the same drum again). It's something I am currently working on with myself and I believe i'm seeing a similar thing in your game.

    Hope I've been clear in what I've tried to say, and also hope I haven't been too negative.

    As I say- i enjoy watching your games because you're improving at a good pace.

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    Thanks for the long reply! Don't worry, it did not come off as negative at all. I'm always grateful for any advice, and I didn't notice myself what you pointed out....thanks for that. I'm still working on taking the shuttle as early as possible, sometimes I don't intercept and take it at the back or let the shuttle drop at the net...letting it drop too far is a habit left from table tennis, as you often let the ball drop to reduce the spin it's got. It's gotten better, but sometimes, especially in singles, 10 years of TT overpower the 2 of badminton
    I'm also putting quite a bit of effort into building leg strength and improving my footwork. Sometimes it seems as if I'm reacting late when in truth I'm just off balance and too weak to push off quickly or just a bit too relaxed/unfocused because I let my intensity drop too far. I think I'm making good progress, most noticeably because I'm really starting to enjoy singles which I did not a few months back - not at all

    Thanks again for taking the time to watch (some) and comment!

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    I forgot to give an example, as I usually do.. Sho Sasaki is one who exaggerates it to a good extent and makes it more obvious if you do want to chase it up and see what I mean.

    The TT thing makes total sense. Legwork is something that only comes by nailing the hours of practise in 3-4 days a week. Pushing off both legs + as you say using it in balance and equally is also the most important thing, no use having a gimpy leg that you can't push off

    Edit: Saying that just made me think, some of your smash defence, you have your non racquet leg slightly infront, which means that you are vulnerable to a down the line/ crosscourt smash to your backhand (4:05 in the 3rd game for example) It puts the racquet arm slightly behind you compared to neutral/ racquet leg forwards so you reach it later, and take it further behind you, or miss it like you did.

    I do know how you feel, I haven't played proper singles in ages and I have a tournament in Belgium coming up in 3 months, time to get training (ive gone over 200lb weight) and get my eye back in I think. Watching you has definitely got me in the mood to play though!

    I'm going to a 6 hour session on Sunday, hopefully I'll get some footage up to make you all laugh about, and show that whilst I can see things, I'm hopeless at putting them into my own game
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    Hi Jackie,

    Just seen your video and you have improved , your technique is good and you seem to have good balance when making the shot. Movement around the court is good, footwork can still be little smoother (but none of us here is perfect in that department) . need to be more ready and alert to your opponent shots and more eager /quicker to get to the shuttle ...

    You are a decent MD player and would definitely make it in our uni 2nd team , we are in need for some players to play in those dreaded away matches on Wednesday afternoon for both 1st and 2nd team , ........(100 miles + round trip !!! and getting beaten 8-0 by the top teams on occasion(ssss) LOL)

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    Haha, tough luck then that I'm (probably) not in your Uni

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    hi j4ckie

    first of all, as the others already said: you certainly have improved judging from your last vids a couple of months ago. good work!!

    but as you want to improve, here's my opinion on one or two things you could think about (all comments are about the 3rd game of singles video):
    1. you sometimes let the shuttle fall too far in frontcourt play when you would have enough time to take it earlier. examples: 1:13, 3:38, 5:16. my suggestion: be more aggressive in these situations! do a fast step, take the shuttle early and put some more pressure on your opponent!

    2. on some occasions you play the overhead shot while doing a backward jump, although there would be enough time to get behind the shuttle BEFORE hitting. sometimes you can't avoid hitting while jumping backwards, but sometimes you can avoid it by getting behind the shuttle early and then hit in a forward motion. examples: 6:46, 11:16. there you have quite some time after your opponents service and jumping backwards defintely slows you down in taking the next shot!

    3. 7:27: you didn't take the backhand, did you???

    but again: keep up the good work, you're definetly improving!!

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    Thanks for the help

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