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    Default Has anyone done this shot before?

    Ok, i was imagining this shot just then and wondered if anyone has done it before?

    here's how it goes

    lets say your opponent plays a low serve OR does a net shot.
    you reply with a straight net shot with your backhand and after that follow through and swing the racket as if you're doing a crosscourt lift/push.
    remember, you're taking a huge backswing. you play a normal net shot and follow through your racket as if you're doing a crosscourt lift.
    maybe you can net it and pull your racket head back a bit and swing again making it look like a crosscourt lift but in fact, you just did a net shot before that swing.

    anyone done it before?

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    p.s. or does anyone think its possible?

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    Er...

    So you hit the shuttle first (net shot), and then play your deceptive swing (lift)?

    Sounds pretty useless to me. The deception should come before the real shot, not after. You could even do a little dance; it won't make any difference once your opponent has seen you hit the shuttle.

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    depending on how fast you play the net shot and follow through to the swing. if the shuttle has not cleared the net yet, and you're already swinging cross-court, don't you think thats rather deceptive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by llpjlau View Post
    depending on how fast you play the net shot and follow through to the swing. if the shuttle has not cleared the net yet, and you're already swinging cross-court, don't you think thats rather deceptive?
    No, I don't. Sorry. I'll be watching the shuttle, not your theatrics.

    If you mean, "hit a net shot with an apparently powerful swing", then that's totally different -- and yes, that is deceptive.

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    If i haven't misunderstood, i suppose you mean

    1) holding for a moment(most likely dropping racket head slightly,
    2) then net the shuttle,
    3) but follow through with a rather large swing action AFTER the shuttle had already been contacted

    I would agree with Gollum only partially...most of the deception comes from before the contact...but i think a seemingly redundant, 'after-contact' swing sorts of wraps up the package as a whole, and thus adds to the deception.

    The point is proven by a very similar stroke. The best term i could think of now would be what chinese commentators popularly call '直线滑板', which means 'Straight Slice'---meaning you slice the shuttle in such a way that it appears to be directed cross court, but actually you hit it straight. It's also supposed to be one of Gade's trademark shots. Most pros add extra movement of the racket head in the direction of the slice, even after the shuttle have been contacted.

    So answer to your question is yes, it can be used.(but most of the time the 'after-contact' swing is still much smaller than a real, lifting swing.)
    and Yes, it HAS BEEN used. When i find videos i'll post them

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    'straight slice' or 直线滑板 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiuJ63lbbmE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLIOLUmpsU at 1:37


    what's the correct term for this shot?

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    If i'm not mistaken, llpjlau should be talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLIOLUmpsU at 8:03

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivingBirdie View Post
    most of the deception comes from before the contact...but i think a seemingly redundant, 'after-contact' swing sorts of wraps up the package as a whole, and thus adds to the deception.
    Yes, but that's not what he's describing! He's talking about a new swing after you hit the shuttle.

    The swing after contact can be very deceptive; but you don't really have time to hit the shuttle, make a new backswing, and a new forward swing. They'll be watching your first swing.
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    hmmm . . . if I understood it correctly, I'd agree with Gollum . . . I'd be watching the shuttle, not the post-deception stroke


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    1. Preparation : big arm swing
    2. Shot : net shot
    3. Follow through : big follow through

    The problem is that with a big arm swing, the racquet is moving too fast to hit a net shot.

    So the sequence becomes:
    big arm swing -> slow arm down -> net shot: not really deceptive
    big arm swing -> slice -> net shot: not easy to do
    big arm swing -> bounce of net -> net shot: very hard to do

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    I think the sequence he's describing is actually:
    1. Preparation: small arm swing
    2. Shot: net shot
    3. Follow through: small follow through
    4. New preparation: Big arm swing
    5. New shot: hit thin air (he already hit the shuttle!)
    6. New follow through: big follow through
    ...which is completely useless, in my opinion.

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    hmm looks like we'll need llpjau to explain in greater detail his stroke movement

    anyway have u guys checked out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLIOLUmpsU at 8:03 yet? Because i thought llpjau meant something similar
    Last edited by DivingBirdie; 10-23-2007 at 12:29 PM.

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    i think its possible: sliced (under the shuttle) net reply -- the shuttle travels very slowly and only short over the net but due to your very fast and huge raquet movement AFTER the contact people jump back because they think you just cleared the shuttle. Because your raquet movement happens faster and more obvious then the shuttle movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivingBirdie View Post
    anyway have u guys checked out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLIOLUmpsU at 8:03 yet? Because i thought llpjau meant something similar
    Yes, that's a great shot.

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    no, it is not a new swing. it is in the same sequence. just play the net shot (with no back swing) and move your racket head slightly to the right and make it look like a cross-court flick. remember, its more wrist than arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivingBirdie View Post
    hmm looks like we'll need llpjau to explain in greater detail his stroke movement

    anyway have u guys checked out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkLIOLUmpsU at 8:03 yet? Because i thought llpjau meant something similar
    yes, the shot at 8:03 is similar to what i had in mind.

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