Panda Power: A Racket That Can Take 40lbs. String Tension!

**panda8898** · 06-16-2009, 12:02 AM

hello Mr. Panda, newbie here...just want to ask...dont forget to distribute to Indonesia

want to buy it too if the price is reasonable...

**kikks9** · 06-16-2009, 07:03 AM

Don't forget about me down under..

**twobeer** · 06-16-2009, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

Twobeer: the info you want is in the post, I'm using Toray.

Is it? Maybe I am missing something but I think I have read all the post in this thread, and could not see any mention if you can freely choose any material selection, or if you where limited to suggestions, and selections fom the OEM (maybe the suppliers the OEM already uses?)

Could the OEM for example accomodate use of meidai tetra-axial graphite for the shaft?

How about torsion stiffness?!? Any reinforcements in the design for t-joint?

cheers,
Twobeer

**teoky** · 06-16-2009, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by twobeer

Is it? Maybe I am missing something but I think I have read all the post in this thread, and could not see any mention if you can freely choose any material selection, or if you where limited to suggestions, and selections fom the OEM (maybe the suppliers the OEM already uses?)

Could the OEM for example accomodate use of meidai tetra-axial graphite for the shaft?

How about torsion stiffness?!? Any reinforcements in the design for t-joint?

cheers,
Twobeer

Is the meidai tetral axial graphite the same material as used for the TC700 ?

**DinkAlot** · 06-16-2009, 12:22 PM

TJ, Panda already chose the material, it's in the post, for the Ultra, Toray M30GC for the frame and triple tapered M30GC for the shaft.

This project was not a spare no expense one. Panda was looking for the relative best performance and durability to money spent ratio. For instance, yes, Panda could get a tetra-axial shaft and/or frame (which is a fancy/advanced method of/and calling "woven graphite"-Meidai's patented name), but the shaft alone would cost more than the current racket itself. This was the first thing Panda inquired about as shaft durability was Panda's first concern for the Ultra.

Panda is currently testing a prototype "new" woven graphite frame with 46T (1000t) shaft and the frame is extremely solid. Much more so than the shaft which leads Panda to wanting to make a third racket, the "Ultra Woven"; which would have the new woven frame with the triple tapered composite shaft. The price would be more expensive but still reasonable.

Now Panda knows why SOTX charges $300 USD for the Woven 16...

Originally Posted by twobeer

Is it? Maybe I am missing something but I think I have read all the post in this thread, and could not see any mention if you can freely choose any material selection, or if you where limited to suggestions, and selections fom the OEM (maybe the suppliers the OEM already uses?)

Could the OEM for example accomodate use of meidai tetra-axial graphite for the shaft?

How about torsion stiffness?!? Any reinforcements in the design for t-joint?

cheers,
Twobeer

**Pete LSD** · 06-16-2009, 12:42 PM

In other words, Panda is not going the F1 route :-). Hey wait, there may be a F1 line of models from the Panda in the future pending demand :-p. hee hee

**cooler** · 06-16-2009, 01:28 PM

can the new trinity and ultra take 40 lb?

**DinkAlot** · 06-16-2009, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by cooler

can the new trinity and ultra take 40 lb?

The Ultra should be able to, not sure if the Trinity can, never tried. The highest Panda's gone on the Ultra is 37lbs. ECP and were no problems, it was still "strong". So, Panda thinks 40lbs. ECP should be doable.

Panda has not tried anything higher than 32lbs. ECP on the Trinity which held up fine. The frame on the Trinity, by design, is thinner so it's not as strong as the Ultra. Panda estimates 34-35lbs. should be the max doable/playable tension on the Trinity.

When Panda says "doable", Panda means, the racket can be strung at said tension and playable without the racket compromising its structural integrity, relative speaking.

With the exception of a few of strings, at 32lbs. ECP or higher, there nothing really durable. At that tension, Panda worries more about the string than the racket.

**Viper2005** · 06-16-2009, 02:04 PM

I think that may be on Panda's list of next thing to do.
Design and make a durable 40lbs string.....

Panda 70Ti.

Don't forget to send couple of the new rackets to Viper.
Thanks.

**Pete LSD** · 06-16-2009, 02:08 PM

Did you ask for metal T joint or polymer ones like Yonex?

**Pete LSD** · 06-16-2009, 02:09 PM

Only a few strings can take ultra high tension. BG-65 rules :-D.

**chrishin** · 06-16-2009, 04:03 PM

will you eventually going down to custom string route? Think ashaway does custom and probably will be able to fit your needs

**twobeer** · 06-16-2009, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by teoky

Is the meidai tetral axial graphite the same material as used for the TC700 ?

I think so, at least I read that Mizuno buys tetra-axial materials from meidai..

**twobeer** · 06-16-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

TJ, Panda already chose the material, it's in the post, for the Ultra, Toray M30GC for the frame and triple tapered M30GC for the shaft.

This project was not a spare no expense one. Panda was looking for the relative best performance and durability to money spent ratio. For instance, yes, Panda could get a tetra-axial shaft and/or frame (which is a fancy/advanced method of/and calling "woven graphite"-Meidai's patented name), but the shaft alone would cost more than the current racket itself. This was the first thing Panda inquired about as shaft durability was Panda's first concern for the Ultra.

Panda is currently testing a prototype "new" woven graphite frame with 46T (1000t) shaft and the frame is extremely solid. Much more so than the shaft which leads Panda to wanting to make a third racket, the "Ultra Woven"; which would have the new woven frame with the triple tapered composite shaft. The price would be more expensive but still reasonable.

Now Panda knows why SOTX charges $300 USD for the Woven 16...

"utlra woven" sounds like da schiznick

/T