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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathsticks View Post
    i bet it has panda all over it XD
    It's a badminton racket, not toilet paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    Both even balanced . Trinity ~ Ti10 1st toned down; Ultra ~ no comparison
    I would not say they are evenly balanced. I would say they are moderately balanced for a smooth swing.

    The Trinity swings about true to its weight.

    The Ultra swings about 2-3g heavier than its weight. For instance, the 85.5g prototype I have swing like a moderately balanced 88-89g racket.

    Everyone person is different with different swinging styles so it just depends on what you feel comfortable with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    The Ultra has no peer that I know of. It's designed for advanced and professional players, especially super smashers. Not every can truly maximize the Ultra.

    Oops! Too late to edit. What I meant by the Ultra has no peer is with respect to the design. I haven't seen a racket made with a triple tapered shaft.

    As for performance, both the Trinity and Ultra are any where from good to excellent, depending on your playing style but there's no way either will be "ideal" or "best" for everyone.

    From testing (and breaking) just about every racket on the market, I have come to the conclusion that many here have known all along:

    There's no one perfect racket.

    Heck, even your favorite/perfect/ideal racket now could change once you improve or change your playing style. There are too many variables.

    The one trend I have (just about) always seen though, is this:

    As a player gets better, he/she goes to a lighter and more balanced racket (especially in doubles and mixed play).

    Why? Your competition gets better and better and faster and faster as you move up the badminton scale. To a point where everyone can smash, everyone can play defense, everyone can...do any and every shot. At that level it's all about speed, especially now with the 21-Point System which Panda still does not condone. So a lighter racket is generally the tendency.
    Last edited by DinkAlot; 06-18-2009 at 08:03 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Roughly (not final)...

    MSRP:
    Trinity: $140.00
    Ultra: $170.00

    Internet Price:
    Trinity: $125.00
    Ultra: $145.00

    Potential BC Price:
    Trinity: $110.00
    Ultra: $130.00

    I'll have to talk to Kwun about the BC price, if it's even allowed.
    That is in USD? So for us living daily on bread here in Malaysia, that will be x 3.5

    Justin

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Roughly (not final)...

    MSRP:
    Trinity: $140.00
    Ultra: $170.00

    Internet Price:
    Trinity: $125.00
    Ultra: $145.00

    Potential BC Price:
    Trinity: $110.00
    Ultra: $130.00

    I'll have to talk to Kwun about the BC price, if it's even allowed.
    I'll be waiting at the West Coast in Canada for the final call!
    Last edited by Gemcat; 06-19-2009 at 12:17 AM.

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    Thanks to Panda, I will be taking care of wholesale inquires. once Panda speak to Kwan. I will be putting together a (Group Buy) in Honor of BC.

    Hello every one! I am Tommy, and this is like my second post on BC. it is great to see many of you that has came down to US. I hope I have the chance to meet all of you

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Potential BC Price:
    Trinity: $110.00
    Ultra: $130.00

    I'll have to talk to Kwun about the BC price, if it's even allowed.
    err.....
    how about we buy ultra at 130 and free trinity?
    kwun will definitely happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drifit View Post
    err.....
    how about we buy ultra at 130 and free trinity?
    kwun will definitely happy with it.
    Definitely second that . Don't think I can handle the Ultra, but definitely interested in the Trinity if it comes over to the British shores

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    Quote Originally Posted by guavawang View Post
    Thanks to Panda, I will be taking care of wholesale inquires. once Panda speak to Kwan. I will be putting together a (Group Buy) in Honor of BC.

    Hello every one! I am Tommy, and this is like my second post on BC. it is great to see many of you that has came down to US. I hope I have the chance to meet all of you
    Dear Tommy,
    Good to hear from you again. So your are Panda manager now? Oh wait, you are..
    Have a nice weekend.
    Your #1,000 fan and don't bring up my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guavawang View Post
    I myself preferred the Trinity, having the opportunity to test the prototypes.
    the Trinity hits harder, more responsive, forgiving, and less vibration.
    Silly Guava, you forgot to mention the Trinity hits harder for you. You also have to remember, all the Trinity rackets were strung at around 25lbs. while the Ultras were strung at 30-35lbs. That makes a huge difference.

    If a person can flex the Ultra on a consistent basis, Panda would definitely recommend that.

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    the price for the 2 beasts is a bad news for us in malaysia

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    I would not say they are evenly balanced. I would say they are moderately balanced for a smooth swing.

    The Trinity swings about true to its weight.

    The Ultra swings about 2-3g heavier than its weight. For instance, the 85.5g prototype I have swing like a moderately balanced 88-89g racket.

    Everyone person is different with different swinging styles so it just depends on what you feel comfortable with.
    Was the 290 strung then? "Moderate" I always wondered where you have that on the chart as to me moderate means average, intermediate, in between -> even balanced? But apparently not . Moderate -> modest -> lower than even
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    You'll have to wait a few weeks until I fully test the strings.

    Initially, ZM67 reminds me of BG66. ZM70 reminds me a something in between NBG95 and NBG98. It's thinner than NBG95 a bit thinner and more responsive than NBG95 but not quite as powerful nor crisp as NBG98 (but then again, not much if, if any, especially given the durability, relatively speaking).
    I will wait .

    Has Ashaway released an expected date of the release of the strings?

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    Make sure kwun get some commission so he can allow you to sell thru BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolidor View Post
    Was the 290 strung then? "Moderate" I always wondered where you have that on the chart as to me moderate means average, intermediate, in between -> even balanced? But apparently not .
    I original wrote a long post (like this one is short ) about the BP but decided not to post it because it would only add to the confusion. Let me just say:

    Everything is relative, it's too hard to quantify everything universally because all these words, even hard numbers such as the exact BP can be misleading because of where the majority of the weight of the racket is distributed.

    The best example I can give for now (without typing many paragraphs) is an 87g AT900P and a 92g RSL X2 Gold. Both swing heavier than its stated weight. Both rackets will swing close to a 94g Cab 20 but both swing very differently. The 900P will feel like a sledgehammer with all the weight concentrated at the end and the Gold with all the weight concentrated in the middle, near the T-Joint.

    Summary:
    +87g AT900P and 92g RSl X2 Gold swing close to 94g Cab 20
    +900P, the weight is all at the top of the frame
    +Gold, the weight is all in the middle of the frame

    Results: in different feel and dynamics.
    +900P will swing easy and feel that way, cutting right throw the air even though it's a boxy frame. It will be more powerful.
    +Gold will swing a bit odd, doesn't swing decidedly through the air, but it will be better for control in blocking shots and stability.

    Going back to the Ultra, I can only say that an 85.5g Ultra swings heavier than the stated weight, about 2-3g, yet it's moderately balance, definitely not head heavy (BP290).

    All this and yet we have so many other variables to consider such as the 5g difference in weight between the 900P and Gold, different BPs, different materials just to name a few.

    I just read all that back, it's also too confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krisss View Post
    I will wait .

    Has Ashaway released an expected date of the release of the strings?

    4-6 weeks is Panda's best guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ants View Post
    Make sure kwun get some commission so he can allow you to sell thru BC.
    Of course, that's why Panda needs to talk to him.

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