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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Note: the stringer is not the customer. The customer is a very nice guy, a gentleman; it was his stringer.

    And the stringer was trying to justify himself by saying:

    1) the holes were drilled incorrectly.
    Panda's Reply: the holes are drilled correctly, nothing more to say.

    2) extra string on top and bottom are to minimize string breakage on a mishit.
    Panda's Reply: what's more important, string breakage or racket breakage? The string pattern used by the Precision is tested, tried and true, used by Yonex and every other racket manufacturer . It's used to minimize racket breakage. Adding an extra bottom and especially top cross compromises the racket's structural integrity.

    There was a bit more but it's not worth mentioning.

    So everyone, please practice safe s...tringing.
    dear sir dinkalot,

    "Adding an extra bottom and especially top cross compromises the racket's structural integrity." if i minus one string at bottomm, would it also affect the racket's structural integrity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3radius View Post
    dear sir dinkalot,

    "Adding an extra bottom and especially top cross compromises the racket's structural integrity." if i minus one string at bottomm, would it also affect the racket's structural integrity?
    +At the bottom, the cross should start at # 9.

    -Adding an extra cross (starting at # 8) is not recommended but doesn't significantly hurt the racket.

    -Removing a cross, starting at #10 is definitely not recommended.

    -"Indo Way": There's another way, we call the "Indo Way" or "Indo Method". It's short for Indonesian way or style probably because the Indonesians started/invented this way:

    1) From the bottom, start at #8
    2) Skip # 9
    3) Jump to # 10

    Advocates claim:
    1) It increases the sweet spot
    2) It relieves tension at the T-Joint

    Panda's informal, unscientific findings using the Indo Method:
    1) Doesn't increase sweet spot.

    2) This can be somewhat backed up by the fact the sweet spot of the racket is in the center to slightly above the center of the string bed not at the very bottom.

    3) Haven't really tested or thought about the claim it relieves stress on the T-Joint but stringing it, the Indo Way, the strings feel loose near the bottom; and Panda doesn't like that feel.

    One positive aspect, cosmetically, from afar, the Indo Way makes your racket look different, distinct.

    So, Panda doesn't recommend the Indo Way but at the same time does not feel it is a significant detriment to the racket.

    If you use the Indo Way and feel it works, that's a psychological advantage so then...it works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    +At the bottom, ....
    thank you sir for the most informative reply, I have been "blindly" adding and removing bottoms cross without truly understanding the effect. now i know

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Oh; and the above incorrectly strung racket was strung by an experienced stringer, one who has over 20 years experience.

    So Panda is wondering what happened; actually Panda doesn't want to know.
    maybe not 20 years, but 20-days ......
    really terrible for 20-years experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Nope, Panda's Precisions are just fine at 32lbs. There have been a few stringers that are confused with the string pattern and there should not be as the Precision utilizes the current, most common string pattern.

    For example check out this completely incorrect string job vs. the correct one:
    -mains are way off
    -extra cross up top
    -extra cross at bottom
    -tie-off at shared grommet

    Wah. Looks a lot like the stringjob I got on my N90 - some ppl are not able to understand that not every racket has the same amount of crosses. Painful to watch. Also the head looks slightly deformed to me - did you check that? I think it's longer than it should be...how could a guy with that much experience do that? I mean even if you dont know the stringing pattern, you just SEE that this cant be right. No racket will ever have a big gap like that in the pattern :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    I mean even if you dont know the stringing pattern, you just SEE that this cant be right. No racket will ever have a big gap like that in the pattern :/
    Unfortunate. But one other thing in the picture that makes Panda cringe is the tie-off at one of, if not the weakest parts of the racket, 10 o'clock. Why would any one tie-off there? Also the string pattern used must be weird to tie-off at the 10.

    OK, one more: the top two strings look to be under 15lbs. tension as the string is not even taut.

    There's more wrong but Panda will spare everyone.

    Please remember, if you are stringing a racket, any racket and have a question about the string pattern, please ask for assistance. Panda always says, better safe than sorry.

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    I think that I got wrong stringing from your distributor in Australia. I did not notice that but j4ckie who bought racket from me remind me on that. He stated that head of the racket was deformed because of that.

    Maybe that this was also a reason that I did not like the racket because of the deformed head shape.

    I must also tell that racket was not so bad stringed as picture above but j4ckie notice some irregularities.

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    Okay, let's not discuss the story behind the bad string job. Oh man, I still can't believe what I see. This is so revolting. What has this stringing world come to ?

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    Well, some "experienced" stringers find it to be beneath them to look up stringing patterns and thus either use old ones or apply Yonex patterns to every racket. I think young enthusiasms (like me) often spend more effort on doing everything right, as they are new to stringing and have to look up several things....even if the stringjob itself can be a bit inconsistent at times, at least its the right pattern and no additional stress on the frame.
    The guys from my clubs doing the stringing have secure customers (and dont do it professionally anyways), so they don't need to worry about the quality of their work too much as most ppl have no other stringer to go to and blame themselves if strings break too early.

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    Regarding Panda Power racket bag I have proposing what kind of bag I would prefer. I really like the design.

    http://www.tecnifibre.com/en/product...ur-vo2max-12-r

    What I miss on this bag is thermal protection because I use it also as tennis bag and when the sun is out I think that thermal helps to keep racket cold.

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    Nice pick Andrej. You pro photographers surely know your form but...

    Panda purchased that Technifibre VO2 Max the first day it was available. It's a gorgeous racket bag, one of the best looking. However, function is not nearly as good as the form. Once partially or fully ladened (filled), the balance of the bag is off. When you carry it on your back, the bag will sway from side to side. An unfortunate design flaw. Panda does not know why but may have something to do with the shoe compartment at the top, not bottom of the bag.

    Going back to form, yes Panda is actually going to base our Panda Bag on the Tech bag (just not the function) so good eye.



    Quote Originally Posted by cayzi View Post
    Regarding Panda Power racket bag I have proposing what kind of bag I would prefer. I really like the design.

    http://www.tecnifibre.com/en/product...ur-vo2max-12-r

    What I miss on this bag is thermal protection because I use it also as tennis bag and when the sun is out I think that thermal helps to keep racket cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Nice pick Andrej. You pro photographers surely know your form but...

    Panda purchased that Technifibre VO2 Max the first day it was available. It's a gorgeous racket bag, one of the best looking. However, function is not nearly as good as the form. Once partially or fully ladened (filled), the balance of the bag is off. When you carry it on your back, the bag will sway from side to side. An unfortunate design flaw. Panda does not know why but may have something to do with the shoe compartment at the top, not bottom of the bag.

    Going back to form, yes Panda is actually going to base our Panda Bag on the Tech bag (just not the function) so good eye.
    It was just propose of design. Anything that Panda will approve on that prototype will be just better.

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    my off-spec super heavy Precision is now the default "power" racket among my circle. when we need to do defensive drill, people borrow it to smash. because it take so little effort to produce a nice fast and good sounding smash for the defender. the combination of the head heavy balance, medium stiff shaft and ZM62 is a winning combo.

    now i look forward to the Ultra Pro, with raised expectations.

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    2U Panda Titan??
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    Haha - cute but somehow I cant imagine smashing well with this >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwun View Post
    now i look forward to the Ultra Pro, with raised expectations.
    Pre ordered mine already

    I just recieved my apacs bag (AP1003 big orange one). Some things I like about is that it matches the look of my winter jacket. Things I'm disappointed is that the shoe compartments go into the 2 side compartments taking up space for more rackets. However everything else I'm happy with.

    Is it me or most bags have the shoe compartment near the top when you wear it as a backpack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by what07 View Post
    Pre ordered mine already

    I just recieved my apacs bag (AP1003 big orange one). Some things I like about is that it matches the look of my winter jacket. Things I'm disappointed is that the shoe compartments go into the 2 side compartments taking up space for more rackets. However everything else I'm happy with.

    Is it me or most bags have the shoe compartment near the top when you wear it as a backpack?
    It's not just you - my bag is designed the same way, yet it's balanced when I carry it around on my back. So the problem Dink described is not caused by the shoe compartment being on top. The contact area is probably too small, making it possible for the bag to roll around on your back. I think that problem can be avoided by making the top of the bag slightly concave (curved inwards) - that way it'll kinda reach around your back and thus not sway from side to side...

    PS: Just strung my T2 @25-26lbs, (inner) head length before: 141mm, after: 141mm....got a bit lucky, I guess

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