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    I will write up a more comprehensive review of the Ultra when I get it back from GrandMaster Tedski and add a layer of overgrip.
    Last edited by Pete LSD; 07-31-2009 at 09:41 PM.

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    Regarding warranty and tension limits, all ECP:

    Ultra: 35lbs.
    Trinity I: 28lbs.
    Revelation: 35lbs.

    Trinity II: 32lbs.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pete LSD View Post
    Indeed, the Trinity is a hard hitting racket and very solid. The only issue is the rather low warranted stringing tension of 28 lbs max. The Great Panda will have to ask for a warranted 35 lbs woven frame (very hard material at the bottom please).

    Okay, did we get GrandMaster TwoBeer's appetite going?

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    Yes, the Trinity is an impressive racquet. However, the TC700 feels "harder" when hitting the shuttle, so I wonder if the TC700 is stiffer overall, shaft+frame as compared to the Trinity where the shaft is stiff and maybe the frame not as stiff ?

    Maybe Twobeer can shed some light on this, he is after all a TC700 expert !

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    Hi Guys. I also bought an Ultra and Trinity from DinkAlot. Tried both racquets last night and here is my thoughts.

    Tried the Trinity at first, since it received so many positive feedback. I liked its overall lightness but I found that the head is too light. The main problem is I couldn't get the timing right although sometime I could feel that it is pretty powerful when I got it right but I couldn't do it consistently. I couldn't get any feel and every shot wasn't good.

    Switched to Ultra. I doubt that I would like it cos so many people said it's demanding. But amazingly, I like it really much. From the first hit I felt this racquet is so suitable for me and I got so much feel. Everything was perfect therefore I think Ultra is definitely for me. Every shot is effortless and smash is more powerful. This is definitely the best racquet I have ever used, before it was AT 700. I am really amazed by Ultra and keep up the good work Dink.

    Now my question is that I'm not a powerful player nor a big smasher but why Ultra suits me so well?

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    @t3Ri1

    What are the specs for your racquets ? What weight and bp did you ask for ?

    For my Trinity, the weight is 85gm and the bp with string and a overgrip is 290mm and it is just nice for me as I am used to such specs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t3Ri1 View Post
    Hi Guys. I also bought an Ultra and Trinity from DinkAlot. Tried both racquets last night and here is my thoughts.

    Tried the Trinity at first, since it received so many positive feedback. I liked its overall lightness but I found that the head is too light. The main problem is I couldn't get the timing right although sometime I could feel that it is pretty powerful when I got it right but I couldn't do it consistently. I couldn't get any feel and every shot wasn't good.

    Switched to Ultra. I doubt that I would like it cos so many people said it's demanding. But amazingly, I like it really much. From the first hit I felt this racquet is so suitable for me and I got so much feel. Everything was perfect therefore I think Ultra is definitely for me. Every shot is effortless and smash is more powerful. This is definitely the best racquet I have ever used, before it was AT 700. I am really amazed by Ultra and keep up the good work Dink.

    Now my question is that I'm not a powerful player nor a big smasher but why Ultra suits me so well?

    The answer to this is simple:

    1) Timing
    2) What you are used to

    The AT700 is a very head heavy racket. Your timing has grown accustomed to it. The Ultra swings more like an AT700, so it matches your timing, what you are used to.

    If you had a Trinity with similar BP to the Ultra, I'm sure it would hit much better.

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    These are the specs.
    Trinity
    Weight: 86.5g
    BP: 285mm

    Ultra
    Weight: 87.3
    BP: 294mm

    Yeah I agree the Ultra feels like AT700 but more powerful. Do you have Trinity with similar spec? Why do you think it would be better? Is that because it is less stiff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    Please check out Post # 324. Oh wait, it doesn't compare the Cab 30 to the Trinity directly.

    John aka "Xiaohou" on BC is the quintessential Cab 30 user and he switched to the Trinity.

    I will get him to do a direct comparison...
    In my opinion, the Trinity is very similiar to the Cab30. It has the same, solid feel that you would expect from a box-shaped frame with minimal twist. However, the isometric head shape makes the Trinity far more forgiving. Even if I mishit, most of the shots don't become critical shots that causes my team to lose the rally. However, I have yet to notice any frame twisting when I smash with the Trinity.

    I've also noticed that the Trinity feels more solid when hitting smashes and clears. While the Cab30 outright is a very solid racket, the Trinity has far less vibration from hitting smashes and clears. The racket simply has very little rebound. With this in mind, I would refrain from getting an end-loaded version just for power; I feel touch shots such as net drops and kills suffer as a result.

    I would bring up that Dinkalot's rackets do NOT play like yonex rackets. The material used is different, and the overall feel is different. However, given enough time to make adjustments, they do play better. I would use the same tension you've been using on your original rackets and see for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ixiaohoui View Post
    In my opinion, the Trinity is very similiar to the Cab30. It has the same, solid feel that you would expect from a box-shaped frame with minimal twist. However, the isometric head shape makes the Trinity far more forgiving. Even if I mishit, most of the shots don't become critical shots that causes my team to lose the rally. However, I have yet to notice any frame twisting when I smash with the Trinity.

    I've also noticed that the Trinity feels more solid when hitting smashes and clears. While the Cab30 outright is a very solid racket, the Trinity has far less vibration from hitting smashes and clears. The racket simply has very little rebound. With this in mind, I would refrain from getting an end-loaded version just for power; I feel touch shots such as net drops and kills suffer as a result.

    I would bring up that Dinkalot's rackets do NOT play like yonex rackets. The material used is different, and the overall feel is different. However, given enough time to make adjustments, they do play better. I would use the same tension you've been using on your original rackets and see for yourself.
    What was the weight and BP of the Trinity that you used for comparison?
    Thanks

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    Guess it is a night for a few reviews just got back from 3hrs of playing.

    So here goes my initial thoughts. Badminton is done for a few weeks so will
    give a better review down the road.

    Trinity 85.2 grams bp 285
    Ultra 86 grams bp 290

    Nice thing about the rackets is that I picked out exactly what
    I wanted. Having owned about 40 to 50 rackets I have it down
    to a few grams and what balance I like.

    Looks prefer the Trinity but both are nice looking and the color bands
    pop nicely. Strung both with no surprises and frames felt solid especially the Ultra since it had the thicker frame.

    Trinity 23 lbs with bg66
    Ultra 21 lbs with squashmarts .68 string sample he sent me lol
    play with plastic here so were mavis 350's.


    Trinity no issues fast with good power as expected. So easy to play with
    and other doubles players felt the same way. I had a 3rd edition ti-10 and
    this is plays faster, just as good control, and has more pop.

    Ultra was my concern as I wasn't sure about the stiffness. Sure glad I picked the right specs for it as it was perfect for me. Reason I say that is
    I am not at a point right now to master it completely. I would say I am at about 80 percent of what this racket can do. I used it the last 4 games and I enjoyed it more every game as I adjusted to it. Felt it had better touch and more power was just a case of focusing more on technique. I tend to get lazy so the racket makes me work a bit harder and rewards me for it.
    Pushing birds down the line and into the corners was noticeable better. Like
    the fact this racket will be a bit of a challenge but know that it is attainable. Definitely looking forward to using it again.

    Out of curiosity I borrowed the Zelm 9990 from the guy I sold it too and
    tried it and it was too head heavy for me in comparison. Good power but tired me out too much after a while. Ultra felt close to the tantrum 200 but at my specs was easier to maneuver. Think the Tantrum 200 is sexier looking thou.

    Tempting to order another Trinity at 86g with bp of 290 to see the difference. Just read there will be a Trinity 2 so interesting as well.

    Please take into consideration that this is just my initial thoughts on the
    rackets from one night of playing. It will take a few evenings to get used to them. Plus I lent them out a fair amount to see what people thought. Thanks Dan for putting the time and effort into making some well made rackets. Think people will benefit from using them as long as they know the weights and bp that compliment their style or are comfortable with.

    Sorry didn't have any time to try the prototype woven. It reminded me of the woven 16 I had when you look at the construction. Heavier racket so not my preference but will test at a later time then put it up for sale.

    Hope Dan will start another thread for each new racket he is coming out with so they can be more focused since this thread is getting on the large side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weinsteinium View Post
    I believe that ZM67 is .67mm before tensioning and ZM70 is .7mm before tensioning.

    It's hard to compare directly to Yonex because Yonex numbers are after tensioning (which seems much less accurate because the higher the tension, the more the string should stretch).

    Do you really play with BG66 at 30lbs? How long does that last you?
    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    I wonder about to too because, althought it would be nice, if I played with BG66 @ 31lbs., there would be a lot of broken strings every time I played.
    I having been using only Yonex BG-66 for quite a while now.
    My Apacs racquets are strung at 30 and my Yonex racquets at 31 lbs.

    Typically, the strings snap within a dozen sessions.
    Some snap within just three or four sessions.

    It depends a lot on the particular day's game level.
    If it's a bad-ass smash-smash session, I expect at least one racquet to give up its strings that evening

    By the way, I notice that although Apacs racquets hold tension very well, their strings are the first to go (compared to Yonex). I believe this has much to do with the quality of the grommets. Incidentally, the Li Ning racquets appear to hold both tension and string better than the competition

    I'm now waiting for the strings on my Ultra to break.
    I wanna try the 66 on this very violent racquet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    I'm now waiting for the strings on my Ultra to break.
    I wanna try the 66 on this very violent racquet
    Sure, I will bring my scissors later !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthHowie View Post
    What was the weight and BP of the Trinity that you used for comparison?
    Thanks

    ixiaohoui uses:

    Trinity
    W:86.5g
    BP: 288
    String: Ashway MP, BG-80
    Tension: 25 X 27 lbs



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    Quote Originally Posted by teoky View Post
    Yes, the Trinity is an impressive racquet. However, the TC700 feels "harder" when hitting the shuttle, so I wonder if the TC700 is stiffer overall, shaft+frame as compared to the Trinity where the shaft is stiff and maybe the frame not as stiff ?

    Maybe Twobeer can shed some light on this, he is after all a TC700 expert !
    But I am by no means a Trinity/Ultra expert

    From what I have read about Trinity I cannot imagine it to be stiffer overall than TC700. The TC700 stiffness is however hard to compare at is is varying in different directions (using a tetra-axial woven pattern to accomplish this)..

    I would assume it is stiffer if it feels "harder".. I usually asses stiffness by hitting the rackets, bending the shaft etc by hand has proved not to be a useful test in my experince..

    As mentioned in this thread I also think it is hard to compare rackets if you use completely different strings / tension etc.. as this affects things to a big degree.. (sometimes you end up comparing strings/tensions more than comparing rackets :-) :-) ..

    /Twobeer

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer View Post
    From what I have read about Trinity I cannot imagine it to be stiffer overall than TC700. The TC700 stiffness is however hard to compare at is is varying in different directions (using a tetra-axial woven pattern to accomplish this)..
    There's no way the Trinity can compare to the TC700 in overall stiffness as I did not design to Trinity to be that way. I designed it to be a stiff, yet forgiving racket. The frame of the Trinity is not relatively stiff but the shaft is.

    The Ultra is another matter. I'm very confident it's stiffer than the TC700. In fact, I'm confident it's significantly stiffer overall. I guess only Pete would know the answer to that.

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    GrandMaster OH (B),

    I am glad that we have arrived at the same conclusion about APACS grommets. In fact, I had one that cracked during stringing, as a result of the string cut by the rough grommet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oldhand View Post
    I having been using only Yonex BG-66 for quite a while now.
    My Apacs racquets are strung at 30 and my Yonex racquets at 31 lbs.

    Typically, the strings snap within a dozen sessions.
    Some snap within just three or four sessions.

    It depends a lot on the particular day's game level.
    If it's a bad-ass smash-smash session, I expect at least one racquet to give up its strings that evening

    By the way, I notice that although Apacs racquets hold tension very well, their strings are the first to go (compared to Yonex). I believe this has much to do with the quality of the grommets. Incidentally, the Li Ning racquets appear to hold both tension and string better than the competition

    I'm now waiting for the strings on my Ultra to break.
    I wanna try the 66 on this very violent racquet

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    I will play as much as I can with the Ultra tonight and report back to you guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    There's no way the Trinity can compare to the TC700 in overall stiffness as I did not design to Trinity to be that way. I designed it to be a stiff, yet forgiving racket. The frame of the Trinity is not relatively stiff but the shaft is.

    The Ultra is another matter. I'm very confident it's stiffer than the TC700. In fact, I'm confident it's significantly stiffer overall. I guess only Pete would know the answer to that.

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