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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    If this latest iteration, the 10th or so, is up to Panda standards, then as early as two months.
    That's what Axl Rose said about 'Chinese Democracy'.

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    Thatís good news! And also motivation to type up the following and tease some of you a little more


    A while back, I was able to get my hands on a Revelation Prototype Ė donít know what generation, but I was told it was close to release quality. And a few nerve-wrecking weeks later, it arrivedÖ
    Since then, I have used it many a times, strung it in all kinds of different ways, and even got a second one with different specs. So, hereís my experience with it.

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    LOOKS
    As itís a prototype, it doesnít have any paint on it. That actually makes it one of the most attractive rackets in my bag. As you can see, the clearcoat makes all that woven carbon visible, and is of pretty high quality as well (several clashes were survived without chips or even scratches). While some may find this boring, I like the understatement. The final version should also have some paint on to make it look even better (the proposed design can be found in the thread).

    SPECS
    Neither the first nor the second PT were actually at my favorite specs (85,5-86,5g, 297-302mm). The first one was at 87,5/286 and the second somewhere around 83/295 (canít remember exactly as I got it second hand and have no mail or sticker with the precise specs left).

    GENERAL THOUGHTS
    The Rev PT had an unusual butt cap, which was longer than a standard one and rounder as well. Not for me - it created a weird feeling when gripping the racket very low, so I changed both for standard PP caps from broken TPros. As far as Iím told, no one did really like it, so later prototypes and the eventual released racket should have a standard cap.
    The grip size is somewhere below G5. As a result I have to put on a thinly wrapped overgrip under the towel grip (normally I put it directly on the wood), which makes the grip a bit round. Took some getting used to, but after that, I had no issues with it.

    FIRST IMPRESSIONS
    When I first took out the Revelation to play, it was too head light to be comfortable. The weight was good (just slightly heavier than perfect), but the low BP was an issue. I felt it lacked power, making clears not quite effortless and smashes weaker than usual. Drives and defense were very strong as the racket was quite fast, and net play was wonderful as it had great touch. The lack of power was too much to make it a good racket for me, though.

    Itís been quite a while since those first impressions. I constantly experimented with strings, tension and lead tape, and my level of play has changed very noticeably. Every aspect of my game improved, and every time I played with the Rev, I noticed.

    CLEAR
    Not much to be said Ė anyone with a decent level of play can hit pretty much effortless clears base to base. Depending on the string and tension, my backhand clear with the Rev is weaker or stronger, varying from a longline clear to the service line (33x34 BG65) to a crosscourt hit just short of the base line (anything up to 30lbs) [of course this means clean hits with mediocre to no pressure, not taken 1m behind the body at full stretch ].

    DROP SHOT
    This is one of the strong aspects of the racket. The head is very stable, offering very good torsional stability and great touch. Anything is possible, even stop drops disguised as smash are still very controllable. One of the first rackets I had a good feeling on the backhand drop with.

    DRIVE
    Another strong point. While the lead tape slows the racket down some, it also adds some punch. As a result, you can no longer intercept anything within range at a whim, but anything taken before the body will put lots of pressure on the opponent. The stability of the racket is impressive, despite the not-so-stiff shaft thereís no feeling of instability or too much bending of the shaft.

    NET PLAY
    The forte of this racket. All around the net, you notice the great touch it offers. If itís intercepting drives, tumbling back net shots, or killing loose replies Ė youíre always in control. I find it to be maneuverable enough to be quick and precise, yet heavy enough to be stable and equal out a slightly imperfect movement at times.

    DEFENSE
    Compared to the other aspects, this is not a very strong area. Itís very controlled, and quick enough, but itís just Ďvery goodí and not Ďvery impressiveí. In singles, the stability and control make it very strong (making crosscourt blocks nearly easy), while it can be just a little bit slow or stiff in doubles. High defense is not quite as effortless as with a BS09/12, but playing little blocks or half court pushes to turn defense into attack is more manageable because of the controlled qualities of this racket.

    SMASH
    Without lead tape, definitely the weakest department. With it, itís a pretty powerful racket. Here, everything depends on the specs Ė with the right ones, it can be amazingly powerful. The stable head and flex-able shaft give it a lot of potential.

    SUMMARY
    The Revelation is a brilliant racket. Itís got great touch, very good control in every situation, and good potential power. That makes it a great all-rounder Ė it has no real weakness and lacks only little compared to Ďspecialistí rackets. I canít say for sure how big a part the woven carbon plays, but I can say that this racket had few rivals when it comes to pure feedback. Of all my rackets, only the MX80 had noticeably better/more direct feedback, at the cost of being pretty hard on the arm as itís super stiff and vibrates a little more. All other rackets canít quite compare in that regard.

    POWER: 8.5/10
    CONTROL: 9.5-10/10
    SPEED: 9/10

    Below, you can see the result of a few intense sessions and one frustrating dayÖ.on the bright side, you can see the woven structure isnít merely painted on. Itís visibly disturbed near the break (sth. you canít always take for granted).

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    ^^ Intersting... that shiny woven fibre you see there is woven ti, looks exactly like the RKEP Pro9000.

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    This iteration is PT # 6 of 10. Two iterations are better than this one but # 6 is excellent.


    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    A while back, I was able to get my hands on a Revelation Prototype – don’t know what generation, but I was told it was close to release quality.

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    Precision Pro or Revelations....decisions decisions decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DinkAlot View Post
    This iteration is PT # 6 of 10. Two iterations are better than this one but # 6 is excellent.
    Interesting. What changed? Materials used? Frame/head shape stayed the same, didn't it?

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    my pandas came in thru the door just now

    can't wait to try it out tomorrow night

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borbor View Post
    my pandas came in thru the door just now

    can't wait to try it out tomorrow night
    OMG mine too! Thanks Mr Panda. Will report back.

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    Interesting how it's almost as long as my ancient Cab15 long.

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    I thought the concept of bringing more lbs to the string tension would be increased sensitivity that is usually good for drops... is my theory rubbish?

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    Default Any UK/EU PPro orders

    I'm bringing a few personal rackets in from the Panda soon, so any UK/EU customers wanting PPros should let me know ASAP - I can bring a few in with my stuff. I've got three orders so far, and I can probably stretch to half a dozen (unless my pending small-claims thing is resolved in my favour).

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    Pandas FTW!

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    Pic courtesy of ClearOne in Orlando, FL

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimcorner View Post
    Pandas FTW!

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    Pic courtesy of ClearOne in Orlando, FL
    Nice stencil!!

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    How much does a Precision Pro cost??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob mm View Post
    How much does a Precision Pro cost??
    Cost of a Precision Pro? A few trifling dollars.The mystique of belonging to Club Panda? Priceless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob mm View Post
    How much does a Precision Pro cost??
    put it this way, the cost of two NEW PPs would still come out to less than one vtzf.

    if u lucked out and got his factory 2nds, those are probably the best bang for the buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borbor View Post
    put it this way, the cost of two NEW PPs would still come out to less than one vtzf. .
    Not if you know where to get your vtzf... ie TW or HK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by visor View Post
    Not if you know where to get your vtzf... ie TW or HK.
    welllllll, hkg prices are more the exception than the norm.

    can't wait till my buddy comes back

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